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My thoughts on the ending


To anyone who feels that the altered endings of this film and the more recent one from 1999 "destroy the entire spirit of Orwell's novel," I say phooey. Both movies make all the same points as the book does and use the same symbolism, they just end differently. I really don't understand why everyone is getting upset over this one little fact.

The book's ending is anticlimactic, this is undeniable. You can argue about the meaning and the symbolism of the story until your voice gives out, but it doesn't change the fact that the ending of the book would make for a lousy, unsatisfying ending to a feature-length film. Books and movies don't work the same. End of story.

What makes getting worked up over the changed endings even more bizarre to me, is that both of the "new" endings are not only entirely believable, the '99 film moreso than the '54 one, but also could work as logical outcomes of the situation. I mean, oppressive totalitarian regimes like the one headed by Napoleon always come crashing down in some form or fashion, don't they?

Because terror tactics and strongarming the populace will only work for so long, eventually, something gives. Either the people can't take any more and revolt, as they do in the '54 film, or the regime basically collapses under its own bloated weight after so many years, as we see in the '99 film. The only reason the ending of the '54 film is not as believable as the other one's is that the revolt happens too suddenly, and too soon.

And both endings are still pretty dark, and only "happy" in the sense that the bad guy gets his just desserts. Because even though the pigs are overthrown in one way or another, the damage they've done remains, and the surviving animals will have to pick up the pieces and rebuild. Both endings are just as open-ended as the book's, if you think about it in this context.

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Agreed.

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Well thats what happened after the Soviet Union collapsed, no need to alter if its the truth.

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The good guys might not always win but most of the time the bad guy gets his just desserts in the end.

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In Orwell's original book, the animals simply look on in dismay as they come to realise that the pigs have become nothing better than the human masters of old.

In a stark departure from Orwell's book, the film ends with the animals revolting against the pigs. John Halas, one half of the directing team, later reflected that the film needed the happier ending of counter-revolution, as it rewarded the audience for their emotional investment. However, in recent years evidence has come to light suggesting that the CIA covertly funded the film. If this is the case, then an ending showing counter-revolutionary forces would have been desirable.

The animation historian Brian Sibley doubts that the team responsible were aware of the source of the funding. However as Halas & Batchelor had produced propaganda and information films prior to Animal Farm, it seems reasonable the film could have been commissioned as propaganda against communism.

In a sense this ending could be said to have foreseen the future. About 35 years after its release, the Communist regimes of Eastern Europe were overthrown due largely to public pressure and protest (including a violent uprising in Romania).


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And a very strange violent uprising that was, with a large number of "terrorists" shooting at the civil population, of which not even one was caught. And, of course, the leadership of the newly freed country was formed largely from members of the old Communist Party.

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to me the ending hinted that the change wasn't for the better. it seems to me that the donkey might be the next dictator. three things led me to this conclusion:
1. in the last shot, the donkey was in the middle of all the animals and he looked pretty grim.
2. the other animals would accept him as a new leader because he also kind of led the counter-revolution and he made a huge sacrifice with the loss of his friend boxer. after boxer died he was also the hardest working animal on the farm.
3. the usage of colors throughout the film is really basic. black (napoleon and his dogs) means bad, white (snowball and the ducks) means good. the donkey is black.

sorry for my english. it's not my first language.

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Except that Animal Farm is an allegorical tale and therefore governed by the real events it symbolises. Believability doesn't come into it; Stalin died of natural causes and yet here he (i.e. Napoleon) killed in a second revolution that never existed in the real world. Doesn't it undermine the social commentary if you're going to replace the events you're commenting on with made up ones?

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Well, the definition of allegory is "the treatment of one thing in spirit under the guise of another," or rather, a symbolic form of storytelling. I don't think it necessarily has to be historically accurate; the definition on Dictionary.com certainly doesn't stipulate this.

Plenty of science fiction films about alien takeovers and the like have been read (perhaps a little overzealously) as Communist or Cold War allegories. I.e., the aliens represent "the emotionless Red Menace." And in almost every film, humanity destroys the alien menace somehow through direct involvement by the very American heroes, quite unlike what happened to the real-life Soviet Union. Thus, I think an allegory can be about what could happen/could have happened as much as what actually did happen.

Social commentary can exist without being constrained by the events of history, in short. Maybe one day we'll get a movie that features an ending faithful to Orwell's novel, but until then, if you want historically accurate allegory, there's always, y'know, the book itself.

All *I* care about is whether or not an interesting story is told, and both films have accomplished this for the most part.

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There is that, but then there's also such a thing as doing the exact opposite to what's in the original source material. Isn't an idealised ending like that something of a betrayal to the people who suffered under Stalin and who Orwell was writing the book to speak out for? Allegories have breaking points somewhere.

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Sorry, but I'm 100% agreed with those who point out, entirely correctly, that this was written as a satire of REAL EVENTS. At the time it was written Stalin was still in power. The film was released only a year after he died of natural causes and it detracts from the proper message.

The post about CIA funding interests me greatly - particularly the timing. Almost as if they wanted it to illicit a new 'capitalist' revolution in the wake of Stalin's death.

But anyway...if you believe that strongly that the ending was justified then why didn't they simply contact Orwell's estate, secure the rights and then change the name?

There still hasn't been a satisfactory film version of Animal Farm. Shame.

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There still hasn't been a satisfactory film version of Animal Farm. Shame.
Well, what I do is that I watch/enjoy it up to the point where they changed the ending and stop there-- like I do with Disney's The Little Mermaid. Excellent animated adaptation until the silly happy ending, complete with "rousing" action/music...


Why do people who don't care keep telling other people not to care?

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All *I* care about is whether or not an interesting story is told, and both films have accomplished this for the most part.
Too bad, because reality is much more complex/interesting than fiction most of the time, if you bother to do your reading/research...

...And the collapse of communism in Russia fully deserves its OWN allegorical satire-- cos the background was WAY more complicated (& meaningful) than just another violent people's rebellion. I mean, one of catalysts was Russia actually making REFORMS-- and the amazing thing about it was that it relatively UN-violent.

So anyone saying the happy ending (with lots of stuff being *smashed*) in this movie foreshadowed the collapse of communism is just repeating a typical American/western MIS-reading/understanding of history.


Why do people who don't care keep telling other people not to care?

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Excellent post. While I think tinkering with a novel's theme and plot when making a movie is questionable, I don't necessarily see this ending as "happy." So the pigs are out. Does that mean it's green grass and high tides forever? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss ...

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I really think people overeach when they want to put a firm stamp down on it's just the real events being in an allegory. I know i myself and others take away much more than just those symbolisms and can argue for a much better one.

I don't think the added ending takes away from the story, as it just tacks on what might come next. There's more to be read from the story about how new dictators can rise from revolution. As one poster mentioned their is symbolism to Benjamin looking the same color as Napoleon.

The book ends with Benjamin and the animals accepting the pigs are now just like the humans, it's a logical step that maybe that's what would of happened next and raises a question, could a new regime under Benjamin become just as corrupt.

You can act all closed off and assume there has to be a step by step analysis of real events to a story that goes beyond that scope and has a story's life itself. You shouldn't be denying that Animal Farm is only just the way to satire the political events. You should be willing to look more at it formally and not just for the contextual meaning. I'm pretty positive a satire story has ever been published that the author didn't want people to see his symbolism as well as get involved in the story, because that wouldn't make them a good artist.

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anyone saying that benjamin might become a dictator after overthrowing napoleon did not understand his role in the book. *beep* this ending.

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