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Monster Hit in UK? Amazing! Why?


Until 3 minutes ago, I had no idea that this program was such a long time and huge hit in the UK.

I watched this when I was way younger and I have always liked Phil Silvers. I remember my dad watching this during its original run when I was a very young boy and it would be on the 'telly' in the living room 'late' at night.

This show was very popular here in it's day, but has simply fallen through the cracks as the years have gone by. I have not seen an episode in 20 years easily.

Glad it is a big hig over there. Question - Why? Is it a stereotypical image of the quintessential loud talking and brash American for the UK audience?

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In the UK we love a trier and an underdog and I think Bilko is both of those donofthedial. I think the clever writing also helped the shows success over here, I remember when I was growing up in the 70s, Bilko was must see viewing for me and members of my family and was aired at peak time twice a week on BBC2. Even now the BBC still shows episodes sometimes during the day and late at night.

In many best sitcom polls over here 'Bilko' will inevitably be in the top five and a few years ago 'The Radio Times' (the BBC listings/schedule magazine) voted it the best sitcom ever.

I don't think us Brits see Phil Silvers as a stereotype, in fact his vaudville style of banter is similar to the music hall style of many of the UK's best loved comic actors (Frankie Howerd, Kenneth Williams, Sid James etc). He even appeared in one of the many, very British 'Carry On' films (Follow That Camel) in the 60s:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0061680/

Personally, I would say that Bilko is the Daddy of all sitcoms and Phil Silvers was one of the US's finest comedy exports

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In the UK we love a trier and an underdog
In the US, we do too. That's why I love "Only Fools and Horses".



Are you going to pull those pistols or whistle "Dixie"?

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Good point, I can see the similarities between Bilko and Del-Boy. They're both great shows too


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Perhaps the reason why it is so successful in the UK is the best reason of all and that is that it is just plain funny! There are not many programmes from that era, or the 60s or 70s for that matter, that hold up today. So what if its B&w with mono sound, and sometimes the picture a bit grainy, it is still hilarious, laugh out loud comedy. I can count on one hand the comedies that are guaranteed to make me belly laugh every time, Blackadder, Red Dwarf, Yes Minister and Bilko. Timeless classic. And I have just ordered the 50th Anniversary set for the princely sum of £6. What an absolute bargain!

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I paid £40 for mine from HMV, looks like they saw me comin'

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Oh dear! I never buy anything from HMV or Virgin, W H Smiths, or any High Street shop anymore. I buy all my dvds online. I have only ever had one series go astray (from Amazon US, and they promptly sent me another). Over the years I have seen various tv series that were £50 or £60 in HMV that I could get online for £17-£18. Use Play or Amazon, you cannot go wrong with these.

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Seems to be one of those odd quirks like Jerry Lewis is regarded as a comic genius in France(no I can't figure that one out either!).

Also none of the classic US comedy stars of the 50s (Sid Caesar, Abbot and Costello etc) have had a following in the UK apart from Phil Silvers' brilliant Bilko creation. Apart from Hancok's Half Hour even UK sit-coms of the period are forgotten.

I hear it is a bit of a forgotten gem in the US although I heard Larry David say what an influence he was on his work.

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Thanks for the comments, folks.

Yes, it is very forgotten over here in the US. I doubt if most people under 30 y/o have ever heard of it. No buzz whatsoever have I heard. If it is playing on a cable channel here, I am unaware.

Q - Is there a British equivalent of the BILKO character somewhere in UK comedy?

I'll check back when I can.

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"Q - Is there a British equivalent of the BILKO character somewhere in UK comedy?"

The 80s comedy drama Minder featured lovable rogue car dealer Arthur Daley whose deals nearly always go wrong. It was a class series and ran for over a decade.

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Bilko was a great show and Silvers is fantastic in his short bit in "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World." Of course that movie featured a lot of great comics and actors from the golden age of movies and TV whom I suspect could have had wide international appeal.

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Phil Silvers was also the only American to appear in a Carry-On film when he reprised his Bilko persona in Carry On Follow that Camel.

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That's right! Larry David even referenced Sgt Bilko on the latest Curb your Enthusiasm episode...

"Ohhh I didn't know Marilyn Monroe was on the base!"

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Pretty much covering ground that's already been done here, but I think it's very much due to the Brits loving both underdogs, and wheeler-dealers getting one up on "the big man". (In a similar parallel, this is why British comedian Norman Wisdom's films are so very popular in Albania).

There are certainly parallels with characters such as Del-Boy ('Only Fools and Horses') and Arthur Dailey ('Minder') and many others (Walker in the classic 'Dad's Army' is an interesting comparison). It also shows the Achillies heel and the kind side of these characters, Bilko included - realising that someone else might end up in trouble as part of their schemes, they'd often abort their plans and / or help the person in need.
I also think the show's appeal in the U.K. is also due to the tone of humour. Many US sitcoms now (and I mean this in a constructive "nice" way) are of the brash, the-cooler-we-are-the-funnier-we-are vein, whereas Bilko was often down on his luck and indeed the underdog. Only animated shows such as 'The Simpsons' seem to buck this trend slightly, and are probably one of the reasons The Simpsons is so beloved in the U.K.

Until literally a couple of years ago, Bilko still appeared regularily in BBC Two's schedules. In late years it was pretty much a "filler" (shown very early morning or very late at night), or to fill a gap in the daytime schedules, but even when I was at college in the 1990s I can remember coming home and watching it at around 5:30pm - which for a terrestrial TV channel, is quite something. Even long after home-grown classics such as Hancock had slowly disappeared from the schedules, Bilko was still around. Bar the odd short run of 'The Munsters' occasionally (again as part of the daytime gap filler), Bilko was the last black and white show to regularly be broadcast on terrestrial British TV.

There are other likely factors - a decades old black-and-white imported comedy is cheap to show; and maybe as it was Army-based and first shown ten or so years after the close of World War II, maybe many old British servicemen took to the setting, and some of the exploits they got up to (or would like to think that they got up to!) whilst they were enlisted. The character of Bilko is very British though - vein, pompous, deceptive, yet at the same time quietly kind and loveable.

...wow, I never knew I could write a whole essay on such a matter =)






Jay Firestorm

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Good post, Jayson. You made some valid points. Hard to believe that this thread is more than 5 years old now.

See below.

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This dialog is from an episode of SEINFELD and is pure Phil Silvers/Sgt. Bilko!

GEORGE: "You must be very proud Mr. Visaki. (shaking his hand) And may I say, sir, they're lovely girls, absolutely lovely girls. It's nice to see such fine, upstanding women in gainful employment, Mr. Visaki."


I just saw this episode again and George channels Phil Silvers when he delivers those lines about the man's daughters. Pure genial insincerity.

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Timeless comedy, split-second timing, superb acting and scripts, plus the unique talents of Phil Silvers as Sgt Bilko account for the success of this series in the UK. US humour often travels well across the Atlantic, as Bilko and many other US comedy shows have demonstrated over the decades.

British humour is also often popular in the USA, with classic British shows like "Steptoe and Son", "Dad's Army", "Fawlty Towers", "The Office", "Yes, Minister" and many others have been popular in the USA. Interestingly, the USA often remakes such series with a new cast and US location..... but the remakes are rarely as good (in British eyes) as the originals.

Can anyone explain why the USA spends millions $$$ on such remakes, when the US audience is perfectly capable of appreciating British humour.....as we are for the inimitable Phil Silvers and his fellow Fort Baxter colleagues.

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Hello and Happy New Year-

Phil Silvers was popular with older generations here, but does not seem to have any currency with younger viewers. Plus, the shows are in B&W which does not attract younger audiences. OTOH - as in many films and musics here, younger kids simply have never heard or seen then. If they did, it might be a different story.

There's all types of comedy and the brash, loud Phil Silvers style is not to all tastes. Also - prejudice may come into play. Some people don't like 'Jewish humor'. I know people who don't like SEINFELD b/c they consider it 'too NY' aka too Jewish for their tastes.

Lots of people here like British humor, but I bet there is a huge number of people who would regard it as too 'exotic' and discount it immediately w/o even seeing it.

Norman Wisdom - a huge star in your country. here - near entirely unknown. I had never seen a film of his until recently. He was marvelous.

I watch a goodly amount of Brit TV comedies on public television here. I enjoy most all of them.

Good to know that Phil Silvers still reigns.

I remember his second tv series from the 60s. Didn't work.

He's great and himself in IT'S A MAD MAD MAD MAD WORLD.

Nice chatting!

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It seems to me more or less a variation on "Faulty Towers" with Faulty/Bilko coming up with schemes.

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Didn't know The Phil Silvers show had a British cult following---that's cool to hear. I'd heard of Silvers, but wasn't familiar with his work. The show itself is currently shown on the Decades digital channel five nights a week at 2:00 a.m., and it's on DVD too, I believe.

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