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Mary Wickes doesn't get her comeupance


My wife and I watch this every year and the thing that gets to us is that the innkeeper's housekeeper (Mary Wickes) never really has to account for her misunderstanding about what she overheard on the phone. That's the thing that starts the whole tiff between Bob (Bing) and Betty (Rosemary). And frankly, Betty's not much better. Why doesn't she just come out and tell Bob why she's upset? He'd clear it up just like that...but then the movie would be about a half an hour shorter.

That's what we get for trying to analyze a 1950's musical.

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Oh, but your constant bashing of Rosemary Clooney and saying she looks like a charwoman is okay?



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LOL!!!

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As kids, my sister and I were both royally bugged that that nosy housekeeper who steamed open letters was never taken down for her mischief. We would have gotten into tons of trouble for such behavior!

And Rosemary Clooney also chimed in on Betty's weird refusal to talk. In the DVD commentary, she keeps saying, "Why doesn't she just TELL him?"



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wow.

got issues?

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Yeah, he's got issues. Major ones, that we probably shouldn't discuss here.


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He doesn't have issues. He has whole subscriptions!

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lol

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He doesn't have issues. He has whole subscriptions!


Bravo.

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i have watched this movie 100 times and when it gets to the part when emma eavesdrops on the phone i just can't take it. this movie is perfect except for this part. why didn't they just ask bob? when the movie ends, I always think what a sequel would of been like. merry christmas everyone.

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In the deleted scene available on the DVD in the Special Features section, Ed Harrison, the TV showman (who apparently was in the same Army division as Wallace and Davis, judging by his remark about "the old man"), turns up for the big reunion/tribute already half crocked from sipping martinis on the train trip. Harrison was a nasty drunk (they were going to call him "Ed Mulligan" but Crosby thought it too much like ethnic stereotyping, plus Ed Sullivan's lawyers threatened to sue), and when Harrison heard about the mixup from Bob and Phil, Harrison said, "That chinless witch* was listening in on MY phone conversations??!!!" Wallace and Davis, who had treated the eavesdropping incident as a joke, told him to calm down, but he got together some of his old Army buddies who had also imbibed too much on the trip to Vermont, told them what happened and how she had almost derailed the reunion, and said, "C'mon, boys, I know what she needs--a little train action like we gave that girl in France!"** There was a scene in which they lure her into a backroom, and there are sounds of a scuffle for a few seconds, and Mary Wickes emerges, slightly rumpled, but otherwise none the worse for wear except for some bruised knuckles. The camera goes past her to the back room and you see Harrison and his buddies sprawled unconsious, with black eyes, split upper lips, etc., to the accompaniment of cartoonish cuckoo-bird sounds on the soundtrack. She looks back over her shoulder and says, "Someone shoulda told you boys I was in the WACS!"



*Obviously a euphemism, but remember this was the Fifties.

**Apparently one of the writers tried slipping in his reference to "train action" as a joke on Crosby, but Crosby happened to be temporarily off the set placing a bet on the phone with his bookie, and missed it. Amazingly, it slipped through.

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It always bugged me too that the housekeeper never apologized for all the trouble she'd caused. I wanted to smack her & Betty both.

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I totally agree. I like Mary Wickes but I didn't really like her busybody character in this movie. I have to say the most negative thing about this nice movie to me is Betty as portrayed by Rosemary Clooney. I thought she was too temperamental. Getting upset over hearing half a report, never asking Bob (Bing) about the bad report she heard, not being able to bring herself to tell Bob why she was upset even though he tried repeatedly to find out what the problem might be, abandoning the show, coming back unapologetically and resuming the show as if nothing had happened. If I'd been Bob I would have run for the hills from this relationship.

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Don't forget, this was the early 50's when snooping on your neighbor (for "Commies") was riguer du jour.

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I watched this again last night and had the same thought about the Mary Wickes character. I know that what they needed was a plot point to separate Clooney and Crosby so that they could bring them back together again, but this one is pretty lame, even by mid-fifties standards. But then, this whole movie requires an enormous amount of "willing suspension of disbelief." Just for starters: The two sisters are a "struggling act" but Rosemary leaves Vermont for a job in New York at the biggest nightclub you ever saw - without an audition and as a single in a huge show she hasn't rehearsed a minute for; how is it the general can be suffering so much 'cause there's no snow in early winter, to the point where he's going to re-enlist, when he owns the biggest freaking inn in New England? That's living pretty close to the edge, isn't it?; And my personal favorite - "Here general, we're doing all of this for you. Have a seat here behind this giant cake. And enjoy the show."

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She didn't get her comeupance for the eavesdropping and she and Betty never got looked upon disdainfully for planning to stand by and watch the general get humiliated on National TV. I mean they were both mad at what they thought was going to happen but never even thought to try and prevent. I have to agree, that part always bothers me. But of course, otherwise, I really enjoy the movie :-)

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There was a proposed scene in which Bing, returning from New York, confronts the Mary Wickes character and says, "You know, sister, you caused us all a lot of trouble with your Nosy Rosie bit. I thought I'd met the love of my life, but thanks to you, we almost went Splitsville." She is contrite, and Bing says, "Well, I think I know a way you can do penance, and also give the show a real slam-bang ending!" In the final scene, when everyone is singing "White Christmas," she jumps out of the general's cake wearing nothing but a g-string and pasties.

The scene, of course, was squelched, but as a gag on Bing, Danny Kaye got Wickes drunk and she did come out of the cake, stark naked. If you think Bing broke up during the shooting of the "Sisters" number, you should have seen his reaction at this!

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Bilwick, I usually don't support remakes of classic movies, but now I want a remake of WC, written by YOU!!!!!! :)

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If I do a rewrite, I'm going to add a new twist: Phil will be straight.

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lol

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@ Bilwick1: LOL....That's hilarious about the rewrite for Phil's character!

@Jackboot: Really insightful comments. I enjoyed reading your perspective!

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The thought does not appeal -would the Hays office have agreed to it?

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This what Roger Ebert calls the idiot plot. if the characters weren't idiots and talked to each other the problems would be resolved, but then like you said the movie would be about a half an hour shorter.


and it happens in movues today not just 1950 musicals

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I thought that it would have been "period appropriate" to have Mary Wickes at least "caught" doing her phone thing and then chased out of the phone booth, or admonished by the General or SOMETHING just to acknowledge that she caused a lot of trouble, without taking it out of the lighthearted musical consciousness. Just to put some kind of a button on it to close the issue.

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Well maybe Betty was the non confrontational type. She obviously fell in love and couldn't take the fact that Bob had clay feet. Don't forget Phil and Bob were always talking about angles and did a sly one at Novellos to help the girls escape.

Sooo I think that it would make perfect sense to Betty that Bob would do such a thing to the general and Mary's story would be believable.

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Phil and Bob were always talking about angles and did a sly one at Novellos to help the girls escape.
Sooo I think that it would make perfect sense to Betty that Bob would do such a thing to the general and Mary's story would be believable.
But Betty accepted Bob's help. She only objected to angles that didn't benefit her.

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Arguably, Betty is the one really at fault here for not checking out Emma's story even when her gut tells her that Emma is wrong. Emma makes a bad mistake, yes, but only tells Betty about the conclusion she jumped to. It is Betty who then acts on this wrong information without confirming it first.

So what we really have here is that Emma owes an apology to Betty, but it is really Betty's actions -- not Emma's -- that hurt Bob and cause Judy and Phil to put their stupid engagement plan into effect (not to mention screwing up the plan for the show, though that aspect of Betty's reaction isn't really mentioned). It is really Betty, not Phil and Judy, and not Emma, who should be horse-whipped.

But in the context of the movie, is this Emma/Betty issue as big a problem as the General really believing that Phil injured his leg and going along with the "walk around the barn" therapy?

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Phil almost blew the injured-leg bit when he started to get all "handsy" with the general.

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