I liked this film.
I liked this film because it is a good western film to see. If you like cowboy and Indian films you will like this too.
You can't hold a candle to Gulbenkian.
However, if you prefer good films, you'll hate it.
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"Tahiti is not in Europe! I'm going to be sick!"
And since when was your tastes in film the much-respected barometer for what was good? Take a chill pill, freak.
You can't hold a candle to Gulbenkian.
Yeah, that was in fact an off-the-cuff joke. If you're offended by what I said...well, you've got a pretty weak constitution. And no sense of humour.
Anyway, I'm curious as to what you found about the film that was watchable? Honestly, I'm curious. I want to know.
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"Tahiti is not in Europe! I'm going to be sick!"
Since when is deriding someone's particular like of a film supposed to be humourous? Do I really need to give you an in-depth disquisition as to why "I liked this film". I thought I'd already set it out quite succinctly in the first instance; perhaps you find my thread too arcane for your limited abilities in basic comprehension. Ever thought of attending an English remedial literacy course for adults? Enrolling in said course will surely go some way in overcoming your impediment. Taken that pill yet?
You can't hold a candle to Gulbenkian.
I'm still curious as to why you like it.
Is it really I who needs said chill pill? I mean, all I wrote was "However, If you like good films, you will hate this film" or something along those lines, and then suddenly you flip out and get offended. If what I said offends you, well, that's pretty sad. Because all I was really saying was that I hated the film. Whereas you said you liked it. It's one word against another. I don't see how that's a springboard for this preposterous arguement that you've just started. I was just stating my opinion. Speaking of which, what country do you hail from?
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"Tahiti is not in Europe! I'm going to be sick!"
I take particular exception to your thread because, implicit in your remark, is that my tastes in films must be crap. I mean, I've already asked the question regarding what, I feel, is a kind of ignorance -- and hubris -- on your part. Are you the arbiter of what is a good film and what is not? Your comment was wide-ranging transcending your own bias, by saying "you". You could've just said 'I' didn't like it. Which is fine. Sitting Bull is simply one of the finest westerns ever made. But I can hardly expect someone, who thinks of a Big Mac together with French fries and Pepsi as being cordon bleu food, to appreciate that. Speaking of which, what's the relevance of your last sentence? I'm left to believe that you're from the U.K., and it somehow gives you the right to confer some kind of moral superiority upon yourself. But lest you forget: Britannica no longer rules the waves, and Britain lost her Empire aeons ago. Yeah, and while I'm at it: your soccer players choked (again) at the penalty-shootout. Go watch Heaven's Gate for the umpteenth time in lieu of the chill pill.
You can't hold a candle to Gulbenkian.
I don't hail from the UK, you jackass. But it's quite clear where your'e from. I've obviously touched a nerve in insulting this piece of crap film that you so obviously love, for reasons that are beyond me.
Sitting Bull is simply one of the finest westerns ever made
Are you the arbiter of what is a fine film and what is not?
Ok, I didn't like it. And I urge others to not waste their time on it.
Happy? Because, apart from your amusing pretentious rambling, I don't see any reason to keep this up. Go back to your *beep* bull.
Hey, maybe it is a good film! I was watching a cropped, 4:3 version of the film, and all I could see was crud. Perhaps all the good stuff can be seen in the CinemaScope version. Well, if I see a DVD release of the CinemaScope version, I'll be sure to endure it, because, at the moment, all I see is a poorly directed, shamefully scripted, pallid melodrama, with some turgid acting to boot.
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"Tahiti is not in Europe! I'm going to be sick!"
But it's quite clear where your'e from. (And, pray, where in the world might that be?)
Sitting Bull is simply one of the finest westerns ever made
(It is to the cognoscenti).
Happy? Because, apart from your amusing pretentious rambling, I don't see any reason to keep this up. Go back to your *beep* bull.
(Yep, I will. And you get back to MacDonald's with your discount voucher for another Happy Meal; maybe the staff have some free plastic toys for you in the form of R2-D2, Jar-Jar Binks etc). Have a Happy Day, freak.
You can't hold a candle to Gulbenkian.
You sound American. You might not be, but you sound American.
It is to the cognoscenti
That's hilarious. I know now that this is all one big practical joke. Because, no one, and I mean no one, can have their head so far up there arse as you do. You go on thinking that you're superior to everyone else. Because hopefully, someone will give you what you deserve, and that's a smack right in the mouth. You arrogant tosser.
(Yep, I will. And you get back to MacDonald's with your discount voucher for another Happy Meal; maybe the staff have some free plastic toys for you in the form of R2-D2, Jar-Jar Binks etc). Have a Happy Day, freak.
Ouch. That hurt. A lot. I am going to commit suicide now. You cut me real deep, Shrek.
Are we talking about the same Sitting Bull? The one with Iron Eyes Cody?
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"Tahiti is not in Europe! I'm going to be sick!"
You sound American. You might not be, but you sound American.
(Oh, really? Not very bright).
You arrogant tosser.
(Sounds like what an Australian would say).
Ouch. That hurt. A lot. I am going to commit suicide now. You cut me real deep, Shrek.
(And who'd did you say had the "weak constitution"?)
"Tahiti is not in Europe! I'm going to be sick!"
(What an absolutely ridiculous signature, confirming my suspicions that you're most likely bipolar).
You can't hold a candle to Gulbenkian.
(And who'd did you say had the "weak constitution"?)
It appears to me that you have no concept of sarcasm, only lending to my arrogant tosser theory.
What an absolutely ridiculous signature, confirming my suspicions that you're most likely bipolar
If you don't get the reference, you're never going to get it
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"Tahiti is not in Europe! I'm going to be sick!"
allow my objective "3rd party" opinion, gentlemen...
this film falls far, far short of greatness; yet, it's not exactly awful and fit only for the mud, either. it's mediocre.
as was typical for the westerns of the time, there are no real native americans in the lead cast (i'd wager there are none in the support cast, either). it's not a historically accurate fim, to say the least. and, it wasn't shot very well. this, as one of you pointed out, is most likely due to the cinemascope effect. but, i think the music's effective. and, they did attempt to bring some of the actual native american language into the film (different for a western from the '50s). so, it's not a masterpiece; and it's not dreck. hope this opinion brings some perspective to the discussion.
gregory 072307
Stumbling upon this tread and, not too familiar with rough discussions on one's private liking/disliking, I certainly feel rather surprised by the very offensive terms in which this dialogue developed.
As a European familiar with all great (past & present) movies we are spoiled with over here, I know of course for certain that Sitting Bull is no masterpeace at all. Nevertheless I have to admit that watching the movie in the 50's, at an age (around 15 years) that we played "Cowboys & Indians" (or "Cops & Robbers" for that matter), I was most impressed by it.
What I liked above all in this nearly "awful" or "best" western (regarding one's strong opinions) was the feeling that the Indians were indeed the good guys, driven from the land of their ancestors and thus fighting for rights I did not fully understood then (which came much later by reading "Bury my heart at Wounded Knee and others).
So I noticed also that the character, played by Dale Robertson, was a white officer who, notwithstanding a single combat (with Crazy Horse?), sympathised with the Indians and stood up to his superiors, even at the sanction of being reduced to the ranks and degradation.
I was so moved by it's end-titles, a heartbraking (to my recall) chant of mourning by Sitting Bull himself (most convincing played by Iron Eyes Cody), that the youngster I was instinctively became aware of the real tragedy of the Sioux and the Indian peoples.
As "crap" as my walk on memory lane will seem to you guys, I still feel happy with the thrills this movie gave me and the sympathy for Indian rights I got from its viewing. (I got the same sensation of satisfaction on "Roman movies" with the viewing of "Sign of the Pagan" with the late Jack Palance)
Anyway this discussion has been enlightening to the fact that the fighting scenes seem to have been manipulated by way of repetition on repetition...
By the way, surfing the internet I discovered another DVD release in cinemascope-format indeed, with a different cover. Is their regio code adapt to European's PAL system (code 2) ?
Sitting Bull was played by J. Carroll Naish, a Caucasian, not Iron Eyes Cody, a real Native American. It was not the first "pro-Indian" movie, nor was it the last. The Sioux and Cheyenne were not entirely blameless, and gave the whites an excuse with their constant raids to steal horses and cattle. Of course, I don't absolve the whites of guilt either. Custer did not initiate the war out of racism. His orders came from Washington.
Considering that Europe's history consists of one tribe invading the land of another back and forth for centuries, it amuses me how pro-Native American so many Europeans are. The "Shatterhand" movies from Germany are totally ridiculous. Where do the Germans get off criticizing anybody, least of all us?
In British and French pictures, the Ancient Romans are the villains. In Italian movies, they are heroes. Go figure.
Little Big Horn is located in the grasslands of South Dakota. It looks nothing like the cactus-filled Mexican desert where that movie was filmed.
I could forgive all that if the acting, dialog, and cinematography hadn't been so bad. Still, if you enjoyed it, that was your right. It's totally subjective, so why argue. What do I know. I liked "Zardoz," usually rated as one of the worse films of all time.
pmiano100.......Iron Eyes Cody was not Native American, he was of Italian descent, although he portrayed himself as Native American throughout his life. And the Little Big Horn battle site is not in South Dakota, it's in southeast Montana on what is now Crow reservation land.
share1. That is an urban legend long discredited. In an event, J. Carroll Nash played Sitting Bull.
2. You are right about where the Little Big Horn Monument is. I learned of my error a month or so after that last post. However, the terrain there is still totally unlike where the movie was made.
3. The movie still sucked rocks.
Iron Eyes Cody was of Italian descent. It is not an urban legend. Read his IMDB listing. Or watch the film Reel Injun....even Cody's son tacitly admits that his father was not Native American, but tried to live his life as if he were. I agree the landscape in the movie looks nothing like the Little Bighorn. And yes, the movie was pretty bad....typical Saturday afternoon movie fare of the era, even if it did try to be more sympathetic to the Native American perspective.
shareI liked this film too...when I was 7 years old, in the United Artists Theater in downtown Inglewood, California in October 1954 when I first saw it.
I really enjoy J. Carrol Naish's excellent performance as Sitting Bull, and John Hamilton, out of character as Superman's Perry White, portraying President U.S. Grant. Naish in this film gives Sitting Bull a larger-than-life romantic heroism as a historical figure in American history.
However, then I grew up, and discovered the real Sitting Bull, Tatanka Yotanka, in history books, and my great, great grand uncle President Ulysses S. Grant, in my mother's copy of Grant's Memoirs published the year after his death, in 1886.
There have been many fine portrayals of these two historical figures on film.
My favorite Sitting Bull is perhaps Chief Thunderbird in the biopic ANNIE OAKLEY (RKO,1935), and Russell Means in BUFFALO GIRLS (1995).
I also enjoyed Morris Ankrum's portrayal of President Grant in Jules Verne's FROM THE EARTH TO THE MOON (1958).
I do hope someday there will be a restored wide-screen DVD version of this great B-western version of SITTING BULL, so I can see it as I remember it in that movie theater so long ago.
Dejael