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An age-old question (quite literally)..


I love this film so so much, i think its quite romantic.
But, thinking about it, it could be creepy when you think about it age-wise.

We can assume Sabrina is 22 (b/c Linus refers to her as such). Both David and Linus look much older than her, in yet they both are fighting for her affections. It would seem that David is close in age to Sabrina (i say this b/c of the rollerskating story when he kissed her. this would be verrry disturbing if she was nine and he was like twenty), though he doesnt seem THAT much younger than Linus. Obviously Linus is supposed to be younger than Bogart was in real life (Bogart was born seven years before Mr. and Mrs. Larrabee were married in the film).
Does anyone know/think they know how old David and Linus were?

(Also, both sons lived at home. Maybe its a generation gap, but a man (especially a wealthy, successful man like Linus. or a wealthy playboy like David) who is as old as they looked would not live at home.)



also, a very random question: was Linus lying about wanting to jump off the building over a woman. I think he was, but I thought maybe it was saying that he was deeply in love with a woman a long time ago and he was hurt, so he sort of swore off love. only being with Sabrina does he remember how great it is.

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Bogie was about 55 when this movie was made, William Holden was about 35, Audrey Hepburn was about 24. So age-wise David was way to old and Linus was borderline. Though as a friend of mine who married a man over 20 years her senior told me "I'm over the age of consent, I'll marry whoever I want!".

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I never knew the movie was based on a play. This question might be answered there.

Is there any reason Linus has to be *old*. I mean yes a serious business type, but you don't have to be old for that.

On living at home. It's a mansion! They could have had 20 people living there without bumping into each other. Not to mention the cottage and the place in the city.

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Yeah that house was pretty incredible. I just always thought it was odd that two men in their thirties (AT LEAST) were still living at home.

I guess that didnt really matter in the fifties

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One thing to remember is that it was a family mansion so it would naturally pass on to the eldest son and become his home. As for me, if I were living in a place like that it would take dynamite to move me out.

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I agree with travelingmary that the "taboo" on significant age differences between spouses is a relatively recent phenomenon. Before the days of modern medicine, about half of women died in childbirth. This left behind a lot of widowers, who would very often marry again. The new bride was almost always "of childbearing age" -- i.e. between 15 and 30 -- regardless of the age of the man.

It's also interesting to note that at the time "Sabrina" was filmed, Humphrey Bogart was married to Lauren Bacall, who was 27 years his junior. When they married, Bogart was 46 and Bacall 19, very similar to the presumed age difference between Linus and Sabrina.

Regarding your "random question": I agree with your impression that the "jumping off a building" was a lie; Linus was still trying to manipulate Sabrina away from David, and that story certainly sparked her interest and sympathy. He certainly wanted to give her the idea that he had been deeply wounded by love in the past, but I doubt he ever though about women as anything other than pawns in his business manipulations.

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I think there's not really much of a taboo even now - it's not often done but just for natural reasons. People marry those they know, and usually marry in their 20s when they just don't know many eligible people in their 50s and 60s. So it's just unlikely. But I don't think there's a real taboo. I bet for most, Jew and Christian marrying one another is a much bigger thing than a 30 year age difference.

Moreover, it doesn't seem that rare among celebrities and wealthy people - someone mentioned the 27 year age difference between Bogart himself and Lauren Bacall (who was 19 when they married).

So, why would it be normal for Bogart to marry someone 27 years younger in REAL life - but strange in the movie for his Linus (one of the wealthiest men on the East Coast) to marry someone 30 years younger?

I really don't think it is very strange or taboo today.

Just think of some of the age gaps in marriages today.

Billy Joel was 55 when he married 23 year old Katie Lee in 2004.

Rod Stewart's two marriages (to Rachel Hunter and currently to Penny Lancaster) have been to those 26 and 25 years younger than he.

Paul McCartney's just ended marriage was to someone 26 years younger.

Clint Eastwood was 62 and Dina Ruiz 27 when they became a couple.

The "Right Stuff" test pilot Chuck Yeager remarried in 2003 (his wife had died).

He was 80 in 2003 - and his wife 44 (Victoria Scott D'Angelo).

Cary Grant was 77, bride Barbara Harris 30, when they married. In fact, he'd been 61 years old when he married before (the 28 year old Dyan Cannon in 1965, and the two had their daughter.

Former Senator Strom Thurmond 66, married Nancy Janice Moore 23.

Supreme Court Justice William Douglas 67 married bride Cathleen Heffernan 23.

Nobel Prize winning novelist Saul Bellow 74, and bride Janis Freedman 31 wer wed ten years ago.

Actor Tony Randall was 75 when he married the 25 year old Heather Harlan. Amazingly, after his first wife (in their 54 years of marriage) hadn't been able to conceive a chid - Tony Randall had two kids in his late 70s with his second wife!

Charlie Chaplin at 54 married the 17 year old daughter of playwright Eugene O'Neil (Oona)

Publisher and 20th Century Fox mogul Rupert Murdoch married Wendy Deng in June 1999. She's 38 years younger.

After Evita died, Juan Peron remarried - to Isabel who was 36 years younger.

Woody Allen's wife Soon-Yi Previn is 35 years younger.

Bing Crosby was 30 years older than wife Kathryn (the one in all those Christmas specials and Minute Maid commercials) and they had several children together.

South African leader Nelson Mandela and former Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau were both 28 or 29 years older than their wives.

Bo Derek's husband, John Derek, was 30 years older.

Rodney Dangerfield's wife was 30 years younger.

Eric Clapton is 29 years older than his wife. So was Frank Sinatra than Mia Farrow when they were married - so was Peter Sellers.

Rod Stewart has been 25 or 26 years older than both his wives. Paul McCartney was 25 years older tan his recent wife Heather Mills.

Michael Douglas is 25 years older than Catherine Zeta-Jones

Celine Dion is 26 years younger than her husband Rene Angelil.

Warren Beatty is 21 years older, after all, than Annette Bening (and they've had four kids).

In 2005, Robert Duvall married again at 74 to an Argentine woman Luciana Pedraza, age 33, with whom he'd been living since 1997.

There are just SO many STILL marrying with huge age gaps. The Sabrina example of 30 years just doesn't seem strange at all. Geez, compared to real life examples like Robert Duvall or Woody Allen or Charlie Chaplin or Tony Randall, it seems like nothing!




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I've always had a thing for older men too, and although some of my friends give me flack for it, most of them have come to accept it and encourage me to go after whomever I wish. I am 26 and an adult, after all.

I just watched this movie tonight and the story completely melted my heart! I am into a guy I work with right now who is several years older than me, and it gave me hope that a potential relationship might work out.

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I think it's way more accepted than you fear -

I really don't think anyone in Joe Average Town has a problem with Billy Joel, David Letterman, Michael Douglas, Rod Stewart, Clint Eastwood, Chuck Yeager, Warren Beatty or Robert Duvall married to women who are decades younger.

Gee, John McCain's wife is 18 years younger too!

I think the only problem really is when the older man is married - THAT is NOT accepted. But if he's a widower or divorced man or bachelor? Sure, go for him! :)

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lil white, you'd love "Love in the Afternoon" with Audrey Hepurn and Gary Cooper. LOVE IT!

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I'll check it out, thanks!

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Childbearing is between 15 and 30? Maybe in 1854, but not 1954. If it were up to nature, women would start having babies at 12 and wouldn't stop until they're 45. It has never been typical or common for a woman to marry a man 30 years older. Ten years, even 20 years older, back then, but the casting for this movie is gross....it reflects typical male fantasies and Hollywood sexism. Actresses were done at 30 and old fart actors could keep chasing 20 year olds because 50 year olds were making the movies. Most attractive women in their 20s date attractive men in their 20s, sometimes in their 30s.

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I hear what you're saying... but it's not about hollywood. It's typically about wealth... that incredible wealth, and the time in which this took place. AND (because I know this first hand) I can say with conviction, that while an age difference that big was not typical, it was also not uncommon. Furthermore, with the exception of Sabrina's age, the men were left vague, intentionally, so let's not get our knickers in a knot because we know Bogie was born in 1899.

And keep in mind that the LOVE of his LIFE was born in 1925, whom he married when she was 21 and he was either 45 or 46. OH, and one more thing... I think she may have been 1/2 inch taller than he.

Point is... it's a MOVIE, and there's fantasy along w/ very credible reality about how the rich/super rich live and conduct their social lives.

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I don't know...I think the love of his life was the love of his life because she was young and hot. Men tie love to looks....it's not a coincidence that they fall out of love with their wives after their wives gain weight or get old. They're hard-wired that way. And he LOOKS old in this movie. People back then did not age well. Frankly, even Holden's character is too old for her, realistically. It is classic Hollywood....grace Kelly acted opposite some old farts too. And we buy it because the movies are great and the acting is great...but the message is creepy, nonetheless. Just my humble opinion.

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I don't find it gross personally. Honestly people are attracted to others for different reasons. Bogart himself is not physically appealing to me, but reading books written about him and just his voice/acting I am attracted to him. I have dated older ( not a great deal, but eleven years older) and my current bf now is 8 years younger. I think if you find someone you mesh with and makes you happy, who cares on an age gap?

That being said of course there are some issues. Everyone should be legal obviously, but there are some who just want to date younger because they fear growing old or its a status symbol. I find it funny in this convo the responses I have read have all been the man being older. It is starting now that women can be the "Cougar" and men be younger.

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The double-standard annoys. It is portrayed in Hollywood frequently (the older man-young woman relationship) to cater to the male audience when, statistically, it is actually very rare for people to date people more than 5 years older or younger than themselves. Also, as far as the cougar trend goes, note that those women LOOK young and attractive. With older men, they're often not very good-looking, certainly they look their age. The cougars don't look their age.

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This is a question that I've often wondered about in the dozens of times that I've watched the film. I assumed that David and Sabrina were close in age due to the rollerskating story, but if that were true then the whole timeline of his three marriages would be thrown off. So maybe Sabrina is 22 and David is late 20s - mid 30s.
I'm guessing maybe the idea behind the rollerskating story was that David was teaching her to skate backwards (itself a sign of him being older and more mature ... it's usually an adult teaching things to kids, so maybe he was college-aged, as he was going through 'several of the best eastern colleges for short periods of time') and he kissed her ... not in the tender, romantic way that Sabrina interpreted it as a doe-eyed nine year old, but like a protective, proud pa kind of thing.

Wow, I am terribly over-analytical about three lines of dialogue.

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The problem was not that Bogie was 55. You can be 55 and still look fit and virile. Cary Grant or Burt Lancaster at 55 still looked good, good enough to credibly steal a twenty something woman from a man much younger than themselves. Bogie at 55 looked at bit spent.







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I personally thought that despite being 'old', the Linus character came across as quite charming, seductive and, despite his age, a little vulnerable at times. I can completely understand why she fell for him, and considering this is the first time I've ever seen Humphrey Bogart on film, I'm struck by how good an actor he was. Especially seeing as - according to IMDb trivia anyway - the two didn't even get along in real life!

But no, I agree there's nothing odd about the age difference. Especially in that day and age.


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How about Gary Cooper in Love in the Afternoon? He looked really old and sick. Maurice Chevalier had more pizzazz in that film.

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and yet again, the youth chime in.

Had you been around when this movie was made, there are a few things that would have been apparent to you.

Not in any order of validity or importance:

1. A movie is a movie. the age of the actors/actresses in real life is irrelevant to whom they portray in their roles

2. You would not, in 1956, have questioned anyone's age (in life, or on film) because "in those days" (when dinosaurs roamed the earth) age was seamless.

3. In real life, it was (and still is, based on a post or two above this one) common for a woman to marry a man older than she for many reasons. My own (sadly, deceased) husband was 13 years older than I, and we spent 22 fabulous years together.

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so youngsters, forget about AGE in years. it's immaterial.

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It really isn't common....it is definitely atypical, it may not be outright weird, but, statistically, most married people are only a few years apart in age, if at all. Men with money and fame have the means to live out their fantasy of never being married to a woman over 40, so they divorce and then marry 25 year olds, so it's more common among that group. I just think it's unrealistic that the lovely Audrey, a girl clearly in her 20s, would go for a man that's clearly in his 50s. It's gross, sorry. She has daddy issues and he's a typical man going through a midlife crisis. It's hollywood directors portraying male fantasies.

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Yeah the age difference took me out of it. Yes there are certainly couples that are 30 years apart, but that is not the norm. A girl like that would not be attracted to a Grandpa like that.

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I agree. His character was skeevy in that film and I never understood the attraction hepburn's character felt.


Regarding Sabrina, to me the problem isn't the age difference. It's the lack of sizzle on the screen. I can't buy into the romance because I'm not feeling any attraction between them. There's plenty of sizzle between Bogie and Bacall, from their first film together. It's so hot, it's a wonder the film didn't catch on fire.

While not as sizzling, there is plenty of attraction between Audrey and Cary Grant in Charade and between him and Grace Kelly. I'll even say there was attraction between the characters Sean Connery and Catherine Zeta Jones play in that heist movie years ago.

For me, it's not about the age differences at all. It's the attraction the audience can feel between the characters....or not.

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Im a huge Bogie fan... but I have always had a problem with Bogie in this role. Frankly Ive thought about it 10 differant ways as some of the replies stated earlier.. Ive come to the conclusion that an old Bogie, whom NEVER was what considered a great looking man, cast romantic lead with an absolutely STUNNING Audrey Hepburn just doesnt work for me.

Audrey was just sooo beautiful in this film. The story I love, Bogie I love, Audrey I love, but not the mix. perhaps Bogie with someone a little more in his league, would have been a little more believable for me.



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I don't have a real problem with the age difference in the movie.

But man seriously hollywood studios were obsessed with matching Audrey Hepburn with Male Leads who were way older than her. The fact that she looked a lot younger than even people her own age made the whole thing kind of icky.

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agree^^ just watch "Funny Face", her co star looked and was sooo much older that it was distracting.

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There are a couple of things at work here, regarding Sabrina.

The first is that Bogart in my opinion is miscast. Cary Grant, on the other hand would have been a wow!

Second - everybody on this board is talking about what was common "back then." Back then, there were often huge age gaps between siblings for a very good reason - babies died. My grandmother had 9 children. Three lived My uncle is only 11 years older than I am; my mother was quite a bit older than he was.

Third - Many well-known actors past 35 or 40 would not act with a woman their own age for the most part, and it was in their contracts. Women were done by 30 unless they wanted to go the Shelley Winters route and do character acting.

Fourth - It isn't unusual for an older man to marry a younger woman -- celebrities and rich men, as someone said, can attract them. Someone here listed a whole bunch of older men and younger women. Would Sabrina have married Linus? I don't think so with Bogart playing him. Cary Grant? Yes. Why is it such a taboo for it to be the other way around? Why does society devalue women past a certain age and consider them invisible? At least the age has gone up. It used to be thirty, now it's more like fifty (I'm talking Hollywood). Men like Harrison Ford, Sean Connery, and Clint Eastwood can star in films into their 90s if they want; very, very few women could STAR in a film past a certain point.

Fifth - Childbearing. The risk of problems with babies born to women over 30 goes up exponentially with each year - however, that refers to the FIRST child. Back then, as someone mentioned, it wasn't unusual for women to have what they called a change of life baby. It still happens. Today there's a little more emphasis on problems because a lot of women are into their thirties before having a first child. Someone said something about that, so I thought I'd bring it up.

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It's not quite true that female stars were 'done' by 30 - some female stars who were contempiraries of Bogart, Grant, astaire etc were still making films in the 50s - but they were being cast opposite less prestigious male actors. the exception perhaps being Katherine Hepburn who was still cast opposite Spencer Tracey in several films - but I don't think he had ever been a big heartthrob type.

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I was only quoting Bette Davis, who started doing character roles early, and Shirley MacLaine, who said she wished she had started character roles a lot earlier. Many of them were not making A films, but lower budget movies or not playing leads any longer. When a reporter asked Claudette Colbert why she wasn't making movies she said, "There haven't been any offers."

Today thankfully it's different, and hopefully the age ceiling will go up even more.

I saw a documentary about Lana Turner where the narrator said when he took over MGM, "To Dore Schary, Lana Turner was just an over the hill actress." She was 32.

Katharine Hepburn was a great exception, she could still star in films with no problem.

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