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Blu-ray now out of print (April 2013)


The Blu-ray edition of The Egyptian went out of print earlier this month, as Twilight Time sold the last of its 3000 copies. The standard DVD is still available exclusively from screenarchives.com.

This Blu sold for $39.95, the highest price of any TT disc. (When TT went all Blu-ray later in 2011, the price dropped to $29.95.) Now that it's gone, I wonder what they'll be asking for it on sites like Amazon Marketplace and eBay!

Update: For fun, I just checked prices on Amazon. There are currently 13 offers for the Blu-ray, starting at around $65 and going all the way to $200! Most, however, run between about $65 and $75. One is $79.99, and the remaining three are priced at $99.99, $150 and that bargain for $200. Makes $39.95 look downright cheap.

Even the DVD, still available for $19.95 at SAE, is being offered by three sellers for $40 and change. And I bet they'll find someone willing to pay double the actual price.

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Wow, I'm glad I picked mine up when it was offered.
For a moment or two I wavered between the dvd or the bluray when they were released. It came on the heels of the unrelated purchase of my first bluray player (Sony SDP 580) so the choice was made easier for me.


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Yes, I've learned from painful experience to grab something once it's out. You never know how long you have to get it. As it happens, it took almost two years for the earliest Twilight Time releases (from 2011) -- The Egyptian Blu plus standard DVDs of Fate is the Hunter and The Flim-Flam Man -- to sell out their allotted 3000 copies. I thought some might go faster.

Three or four of their later Blu-rays did sell out quickly, but they were all sci-fi or fantasy with a built-in niche market. Their recent BR release of Christine sold out before it was even listed for sale on SAE (!) -- which I still haven't figured out.

Actually, I didn't get the Blu-ray of The Egyptian, just the DVD. Unless it's a very special film for me, or I have no choice (as with any TT disc since November 2011), I stick with standard DVD. It's perfectly fine for me, and normally I don't need to pay $10 or $20 more for a movie. But I'm glad you got what you wanted for a good price!

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Hats off to you, hob! Your Screenarchives link enabled me to purchase the DVD version of this interesting film. Just received it yesterday (it took less than a week). Until now I've only had a VHS copy -- pan and scan -- and comparing the two versions is a lesson in the need for lettwer-box transfers of wide-screen pictures. The difference in clarity, sharpness and the construction of the images is enormous. They're like two entirely different films. "The Egyptian" isn't, imo, a great film, but it is certainly unique in the genre. Now, I'm enjoying it much more than I did before the DVD found its way into my collection.

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Hey cwente, I'm glad you found the SAE link. (Did you get the standard DVD or were you in time for the Blu-ray?)

Interesting you talk about the difference in picture quality between the pan & scan and a proper letterboxed format. I grew up seeing widescreen films from the 50s and 60s in pan & scan prints on TV, for decades. The very first time I saw some of them in widescreen -- on AMC in the early 90s -- the first thing that hit me was the sharpness and clarity of the picture, not its "breadth"...although seeing portions of the picture I had never seen in any p&s print was of course great too. And one of those very first films was none other than our old fave, Land of the Pharaohs...which for my money is a lot better than The Egyptian. The latter is okay but too full of itself and not nearly as entertaining. (LOTP has also just been re-released onto DVD on the Warner Archives label.)

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I got the DVD. Don't have a Blu-ray player yet. The Blu-Ray is fine, but I haven't seen that great a difference between the two, especially in the "old" movies I generally enjoy, to make the investment. I reckon it's in my future, though.

Again -- thanks for the link!

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Yes, same here. Still, as I said before, DVD is fine with me; I'll get a Blu only when I have no choice, or in a very few rare cases of favorite films. I actually have a few Blu discs even though I haven't gotten around to getting a Blu-ray player yet! It's a good investment because it plays standard DVDs as well. Actually what I'd like to find is a Region 0 BD player so I can play anything on it. I have an R0 DVD player, but have to look into the availability of a Blu-ray one.

Twilight Time has some interesting titles, and a lot of not interesting ones, in my opinion. They began in March 2011 and switched from DVD to Blu-ray-only that November. (The Egyptian was one of the first five titles they announced and the only one released on both DVD and Blu.) Originally they released films only from Fox but branched out to Sony/Columbia when they went all-Blu. All their Columbia films have been previously released on standard DVD. The Fox films were initially all new to DVD/Blu but they're now also doing Blus of films that have had a DVD release. A lot of the new-to-DVD/Blu Fox titles are lesser films. When the guys who started the label announced their first five titles they included one film that was so poor and little-known (Woman Obsessed) that they subsequently acknowledged it would probably take 20 years for them to sell all 3000! Apparently they love it, but no one else does. That and many other choices call their judgment into question, in my view.

Have you seen Violent Saturday? It's a great crime picture that was TT's second release (DVD only), and it's still in stock. Still my favorite of all their releases. Recommended -- I think you'd like it.

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Thanks for the information. Very interesting. I've begun looking through their catalogue and will probably be ordering a few things. Already ordered the "Desiree" DVD. The CD's they have available also sound wonderful. I'm going to put Elmer Bernstein's collection (the big one with other composers work included -- for about $200) on my Christmas list!

I haven't seen "Violent Saturday" yet but checked out the description on IMDB, and on your suggestion will keep an eye peeled for it.

Thanks, again

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Violent Saturday isn't shown often but after it came out on DVD I ran it in my summer classic film series and they loved it. Very good cast (a great Lee Marvin in an early role) and a rather brutal little film for its day. I really recommend it, and it's only available via SAE while the 3000 last.

I got TT's Desiree, plus The Rains of Ranchipur, High Time, Journey to the Center of the Earth (now gone), and one or two other Blus. I plan to get Pony Soldier and a couple of others at some point. My other fave was their third disc (DVD), Fate is the Hunter, but that too just recently sold out.

Once or maybe twice a year they hold a sale where if you buy $100 of "product" you can order one DVD for free from a list of their choosing. VS has aways been one of the five DVDs available as freebies in such sales. (Fate is the Hunter was never among the "free" choices, one reason I knew it was selling regularly. Same with the standard DVD of The Egyptian.) Apparently some people are upset that the VS print is not anamorphic widescreen. To me there's virtually no difference, and to paraphrase TT's description on the SAE site, when the choice is to have it non-anamorphic or not at all, that's really no choice. Anyway, keep tabs on the DVD, and if this sale comes up you may see it, or I'll alert you. Unfortunately they never reduce the prices of any of their discs. This sale is the only chance to get something for less than the list price, but the choice is very restricted. They're just trying to reduce their inventory.

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Old thread, but I picked up a still sealed copy of the blu ray for $79. Kind of strange to do that for a film I've never seen before, let alone even heard of. I'm a sucker for historical epics though, especially those that take place in Ancient Egypt, or the Ancient Near East. This is a great film, I'm glad I bought it even at that price. It looks magnificent. I have Solomon and Sheba as well from Twilight Time, and it's a great film too.

Now if we can only get a decent HD transfer of Sodom and Gomorrah and the Colossus of Rhodes. The DVD for Sodom is absolutely terrible, but the Rhodes DVD is acceptable. Still though, a nice blu ray would be preferable.

Not sure who all Twilight Time has arrangements with, but either of those two need a release!



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Twilight Time has agreements with 20th Century Fox (which also now handles United Artists titles) and Columbia. So, in theory a Blu-ray of Sodom and Gomorrah, which was released by Fox, would be possible. But The Colossus of Rhodes was released by MGM, whose library is now mostly controlled by Warner Bros., so TT won't be doing that one.

If you like these kinds of films may I suggest (if you don't have it already) Land of the Pharaohs (1955), directed by Howard Hawks. I find it a far better, more enjoyable film than The Egyptian (I started a thread on the two films here a few years ago), but whatever one's opinion it's definitely worth seeing. It was in the same box set with The Colossus of Rhodes and an awful epic, The Prodigal (which also starred The Egyptian's Edmund Purdom), and all three are also now available from Warner Archives.

The UA connection is why TT released Solomon and Sheba, but in my opinion it's far, far from a "great film". The movie's director, King Vidor, agreed. He thought it would have been, in his words, "a marvelous picture" if the film's original star, Tyrone Power, had lived to complete the movie. But of course Power died of a heart attack while filming the climactic dueling scene with George Sanders, and as he hadn't completed enough of the picture to release it with him in it, his footage was scrapped and the film re-shot with Yul Brynner, using as much of the existing footage as could be salvaged. (Some long shots still show Power, not Brynner.) Vidor thought Power gave a much subtler, more nuanced performance than Brynner. I think the people at TT missed a real opportunity by not including some of Power's scenes as an extra on their disc.

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Thanks for the advice and the background on Solomon and Sheba. While not "great" in the sense of Gone with the Wind or Vertigo (my personal all time favorite film), for a late 1950's epic I thought it compared favorably with most of them. I like Yul Brynner in the film, although I can see Tyrone Power making a better Solomon.

I'll need to pick up that box set. It seems like Colossus will probably not see a blu ray release so I need to get the best version possible. Sounds like it combined with Land of the Pharaohs would make it worthwhile. I haven't seen that particular film or the Prodigy, but it sounds like I'm not missing much with the latter film.

It's unfortunate that Sodom and Gomorrah hasn't seen a proper release in DVD or blu ray. I noticed that a laserdisc was released in widescreen years ago so maybe that is the way to go for now.





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Yes, I tend to doubt Colossus will get a Blu release anytime soon, if ever. The best version (of the two available) is the DVD in the box set, as opposed to the MOD from Warner Archives (same print). This applies also to Land of the Pharaohs. The set is still by far the cheapest way of getting the films so even though it contains The Prodigal it's worth it. The Prodigal is mostly just a silly if lavish costume epic with Lana Turner, but you might at least find it amusing. I think it was her last film for Metro before they kicked her out, and it's interesting to compare Purdom to his role in The Egyptian. Being cast in too many costume pictures helped kill off Purdom's Hollywood career fast, and after leaving in 1956 he eventually settled in Italy, where from about 1960 he appeared in many movies and TV shows (many of them British or American) and remained until his death on New Year's Day 2009.

I agree with you about Sodom. There was a region-free DVD from Brazil, of all places, that wasn't bad and was letterboxed but a proper US release is long overdue. To me it's the best of the Italian-made sword-and-sandal epics of the early 60s.

Re Solomon and Sheba, the few clips I've seen of Power do seem to show he played the part much better, though unfortunately it's not much to go on. Vidor's complaint was that Brynner played Solomon in too "macho" a way and not as the more sensitive, complex character he intended. Vidor himself never made another movie.

S and S was filmed in Spain in the fall of 1958 and Vidor was later criticized for taking up too much time shooting crowd scenes and similar establishing footage -- which is usually filmed after principle photography is completed -- instead of concentrating exclusively on the dramatic scenes first, as is customary. The feeling was that had he done so Power might have lived to complete the role. We can never know. Power suffered from a serious but largely undetected heart condition, although there had been a few warning signs. During filming he increasingly complained of exhaustion, pains in his left arm and an inability to move his hand properly, and almost certainly suffered a warning attack about a week before his fatal one. He was a very heavy smoker, which also didn't do him any good. Of course, today all these things would be recognized as warnings of an impending coronary but back then either no one paid much attention, or attributed the problems to other causes (as did Power, who refused to believe anything serious might be wrong), especially in an outwardly healthy-looking 44-year-old man.

George Sanders, whom Power was "dueling" when he collapsed, always blamed himself for bringing on Power's fatal heart attack. Sanders was very clumsy with a sword while Power was highly skilled, which meant that in shooting the scene from various angles Sanders often had to be doubled, while Power did all his own swordplay, meaning he was exerting himself twice as hard if not more than Sanders. Sanders was extremely fond of Power, who was genuinely loved by his peers in Hollywood, and he never got over the actor's death. The film's producer, Ted Richmond, who had formed a production company with Power in 1955 and was a very close friend, was so distraught after Power's death that he wanted to quit the production, but was persuaded to stay on since their company would profit and this would financially benefit Power's widow and children. Richmond never returned to America but stayed on producing films in Europe, where he died in 2013 at the age of 103.

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Totally love the history! That's my undergrad degree actually (not film history though). It's fascinating background.

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Thanks! History (and government) were my undergrad degree too (but also not in film!). A lot of this stuff is fascinating and helps you understand how a movie came about in its final form.

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I finally ordered the box set with the Prodigal, etc. I'll watch through them all and let you know what I think. I'm sure I'll love the Land of the Pharaohs.

What is your opinion of Demetrius and the Gladiators? I was thinking of ordering the Twilight Time release when they go on sale again through Screen Archives.

I have the Robe, and it's pretty good, but not my favorite of the old epics. So is the sequel better, worse, or about the same? Victor Mature is a good actor, and I always enjoy his presence in film. I recently watched Hannibal, and while not a very good film or biopic of the famous military leader, Mature did a stand up job in my opinion.

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Yes, please let me know what you think of those films.

I like Demetrius and the Gladiators all right. Actually I find it much more enjoyable than The Robe, which kind of drowns in its own self-importance. DATG is a more standard sort of 50s ancient-world epic and as such is pretty entertaining. The story wraps up the loose threads from The Robe (the opening pre-credits sequence is the end of the first film) and doesn't have the solemn, rather heavy religious overtones of The Robe. So yes, I think you'd like it.

I completely agree with you about Victor Mature. Funny thing is that in 1953 it was Richard Burton who got the best reviews and an Oscar nomination for his performance in The Robe, while Mature was just sort of passed over, yet today it's Mature's performance that's thought the better one while Burton is seen as being over the top. Mature is very good as the lead in Demetrius. I run a classic film series every summer and every time I show a Victor Mature movie everyone loves him. Two V.M. films I'll recommend if you haven't seen them are Easy Living (1949), a surprisingly good drama starring Mature as a pro football player facing personal and professional crises, and Violent Saturday (1955), a terrific crime drama. The former is available from Warner Archives and the latter is out from our pals at Twilight Time (both Blu-ray and still some DVDs, last I checked.) Oh, I'll add The Big Circus (1959): it's also available from Warner Archives, and is very enjoyable, with Mature great as a circus owner fighting to keep his show afloat in the face of money woes and a rival trying to knock him off using sabotage and murder.

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Thanks for your response about Demetrius and Victor Mature, as well as the recommendations.

I finally had a chance to watch Land of the Pharaohs. I really enjoyed it, the cast was great, especially Jack Hawkins who is almost always wonderful, in my opinion. Alexis Minotis was excellent as well, I wish he had been in more films. I remember his role in Notorious but couldn't place him until I looked on imdb. Of course Joan Collins was luscious, and she played the role well as the scheming second wife. The sets were amazing. I really enjoyed the interior shots of the pyramid, they were nicely crafted and captured on film.

I'll try to catch the Prodigal this weekend. I have 2 little ones at home so the only times I have to watch films is late at night after everyone else is asleep... My wife likes some old films (typically if Cary Grant is in them), but not of the "epic" genre unfortunately.



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