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Did my eyes fool me??? Episode 'No Partiality' (1955)


This episode was one of my favorites. I am only 30 and came across this show channel surfing, and now i cant miss an episode. I have my DVR scheduled to record every single one.

I have a very unusual question. In this particular episode Kathy is upset about the fact that she is always on the receiving end of "hand-me-downs". In the beginning of the show, Kathy is shown running away from her siblings because she is caught playing with Bud's baseball mitt, and is wearing Princesses bathing suit without permission.

My eyesight isn't so great so I am not sure what I saw. I kept rewinding it to make sure. But was Kathy chest exposed? I don't understand how a show would be able to show something like that on tv. And even if it were ok by the standards of the 50's, I would assume that it would have been edited out of future episodes.

I know that both sides of the argument can be made i.e:
(A) Anyone who would sexualize something like that has mental issues.
(B) Regardless of the reason. What was shown was inappropriate.

Is it that I am being a prude? I don't think so. Even my mom was surprised at what she saw. I'm an 80's baby so it could be I am taking it completely out of context. I do know that if I have a 10 year old girl(the age of Lauren Chapin when episode was produced) I would never allow that to happen. Innocent or not. There are alot of pervs out there.

I highly doubt any tv censors would allow something like that to happen on tv today.

OPINIONS???

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Her chest wasn't exposed.

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are you sure . even my mom saw the episode and saw the same thing

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Pretty sure. It looked to me like a flesh colored one-piece suit. Could be wrong, tho.

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Just re-watched. You're right. But it was entirely innocent.

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oh sorry i replied before i saw your addional posting. im sure it was all totally innocent. but so were the black crow cartoons from that same era. but people have good sense to make sure it didnt air again, thats all

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(1) Spend more time watching old black-and-white movies. There are several scenes with topless children (and also bottomless butts). Back in the 20s, 30s, 40s it was considered "okay" as long as the kids were pre-teen (pre-breast development).

Different time period; different rules than what we have now.

(2) As for the lack of censorship in reruns, it probably just slipped by the rerun reviewer. I was watching a movie on public TV one day and suddenly a woman was topless in a shower (for about 1 second). Later I was watching the news and a topless dancer appeared in a story about burlesque. Normally these scenes would be deleted per FCC rules, but they slipped through. Mistakes happen.

(3) Downbelow I see some references to nudity == pornography == illegal. Sorry but you're wrong. The United States Supreme Court has ruled (repeatedly) that nudity is protected by freedom of speech and freedom of expression (amendments 1 and 9 respectively). If the other posters are diving into this area of jurisprudence, it might be wise to actually LEARN THE LAW rather than make assumptions. There are literally 100s of books with photos of naked children, and they are not in any way illegal.

According to the justices there must an act of sex before such books are considered illegal. Simple nudity is allowed in this country
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actually you are mistaken. i just watched that part again. and its as clear as day. i cant believe it. but maybe im so outraged because im thinking as a 21st century mother.

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Actually, she was only 8 going on 9 when the series started. One episode in the first season celebrated her 9th birthday. It was a more innocent time and this was not done salaciously. The scene represented something going on inside the family home, not even outside in the yard. This certainly wouldn't fly now.
Our culture has changed quite a bit in the 60 years since FKB first went on the air.

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I cant believe that anyone would find this innocent scene inappropriate - then or now --

it is a child - way before puberty - this is the kind of thinking that construes art as pornography -- see the photos of Lewis Carroll aka Charles Dodgson.

would you have been disturbed if it was a boy??

and it is not comparable to the treatment of black people in more prejudiced times-

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Well said prjdean! Political correctness makes me sick!! As well as the people who tow that line!!

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thanks for the support -- who knew old tv shows had so much objectionable material!!!

there are moments on FKB that are no longer the accepted norm, such as the role of women in society, but generally it was a series that presented many positive and upilifting messages. And it has aged very well.

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there are moments on FKB that are no longer the accepted norm, such as the role of women in society, but generally it was a series that presented many positive and upilifting messages. And it has aged very well.

Um...as what mom??

What other "role" does Margaret have?

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what I was trying to say was that the perspective for women was narrower in the 50s - what they could do with their lives, what besides being a wife & mother was there for them to do, etc.- it had been the "norm" for a long time.

In that respect, FKB tries to be "somewhat" more progressive than many other sitcoms - there are eps where Betty sees more possibilities for her life than housewife and there is a least a few in which Margaret questions her role as wife/mother -- yes, the scripts do lean toward the conventional but there does seem to be an attempt to give the female characters a broader outlook than on other sitcoms --

I hope that was what you were asking...

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i recall seeing blacks, Hispanic and even an Indian (India) as guest stars-rare for the late 1950s-as well as addressing poverty, age etc-

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I strongly agree. While the show was steeped in traditional mores, Betty actually represented a harbinger of things to come. Other shows simply represented the status quo; FKB dared to challenge it a bit. And you are right: I haven't seen any episodes in many years, but I do remember noticing that Margaret occasionally had yearnings outside of home and hearth.

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I agree that there is nothing wrong with it, in fact it's sweet.

"What do you want me to do, draw a picture? Spell it out!"

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My daughters and granddaughters (all elementary school age) saw the episode the other day and all of them hollered at the same time that Kathy's "boob" was showing, so I guess it was. I was doing laundry so I missed it. Lauren Chapin was very young so I guess the director thought it was no big deal.

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I agree that the "dickface" comment was totally inappropriate and probably meant to shock. Well, if I were still in the second grade I'd be shocked by it... Sounds like "dickface" is the extent of that poster's vocabulary anyway.

Wherever you go, there you are.

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Well if you think it's sweet, you're disgusting dickface.

And this is inappropriate. The problem with people like the last few posters is that they hate anyone and everyone who differs opinion than themselves.


You've got to be kidding me? That's the pot calling the kettle black.

You're like a political nazi, don't let your political agenda hit you on the way out.

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BTW, anyone old enough (like me) remember a time when this stuff just wasn't a big deal?

Uh huh... And exactly how old are you? Maybe pushing 40?

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I didn't even think this post was still getting views. I wrote it such. A long time ago.
As each generation evolves, so does its morals, and what is considered decent and acceptable.

Showing this clip may have been ok and not a biggie in the fifties, when we weren't bombarded with stories of child porn and rape. But I don't think this would fly today. Not at all.

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Sorry. But I agree with dee2364. And I really don't think an episode of "Father Knows Best" or some diaper or Coppertone ad is going to turn someone into a pornographic monster or a child molester. How sad for all you people that believe that.

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Wow. I never said it "turns" someone into a pedo-. It takes someone who already is and let's them get their jollies off. Agd again it's all in the context of societal norms and values. Each generation and society has their own.

Was the clip appropriate in 1950, yes. Would a director do thus in 2013? Doubt it.

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Showing this clip may have been ok and not a biggie in the fifties, when we weren't bombarded with stories of child porn and rape. But I don't think this would fly today. Not at all.


I can't believe the number of closed off and closed minded people on this thread. This episode is still airing in it's entirety with Kathy's chest exposed as it would have been inside a home in the 50s and 60s. It's ugliness that keeps 'childe porn and rape stories' at the front and buries a mom trying clothes on her little girls to alter, etc. Which should be the norm.

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What's the big deal? I'm pretty certain my mom put me in a bikini when I was like 5...

Why would a five year old need one? I mean it's over exposing a child's body right?? Except, it's not because I had no body and neither does Kathy.

Why are boys allowed to not wear shirts?

In some countries women don't wear anything at all (including children, including girls), Only people there don't laugh at the word titty like we do.

We're a nation of 14 year olds who don't know how to react to nudity.

I mean we're judging this through the mindset of adults, to kids there's nothing wrong with nudity. They're not yet conditioned to feel ashamed of themselves like adults do.

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ive seen it in the last few months-was mildly surprised-but she was just a "little girl"

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I just watched it, and yes, her chest was exposed, but she was barely past being a baby. I can remember running around without a shirt when I was a little girl, and nobody thought anything of it.

It's not like it is today, when 9-year-olds are dressed like hookers and 5 and 6-year-olds have bleached hair and false eyelashes for those sick beauty pageants.



If you're too old to cut the mustard, you can always lick the jar.

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I have a completely different take on it.

Although I certainly feel older than dirt, I'm actually quite a bit younger than Lauren Chapin. I can unequivocally guarantee you that at her age in this particular episode, *I* would have been mortified to be seen by anyone, but especially my brother and father!, with my chest exposed. Chapin was just shy of 10 in this episode; I was excruciatingly modest starting MUCH younger than that. And since I'm in my 50s, that modesty wasn't the result of growing up in today's world, filled with news of pedophiles, rape, teenage pregnancy, kidnappings, etc. There's simply NO WAY I would have allowed myself to be shown with my chest exposed to not only the other actors in the show, but the entire crew present on set. No way.

So what I don't understand is why Chapin didn't object. Or why her parents didn't object. It would be different had she been 2 years old or 3 years old. But TEN?! I don't get it...


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When one views the past care must be taken not to evaluate it through the lens of today.

Almost without exception the 1950's were a safe and carefree time for childhood where children often went off and played unsupervised for hours without fear. For those old enough to remember, the whole concept of sexual deviants and molesters was practically un-thought of.

By comparison, childhood today has eroded significantly. A 9 year old American child today looks much more mature than a typical 9 year old 50 years ago. This is due to a number of factors. First, contemporary fashion makes children look more like miniature adults augmenting features which aren’t even developed yet. Second, children today are often treated much like “little adults.” As a result, contemporary thought is to think of them more like little adults instead of age appropriate children.

Finally, the onset of puberty is occurring at younger and younger ages. Simply stated, a typical 9 year old 50 years ago bears more resemblance to a 6 or 7 year old today, while a 9 year old girl today resembles an early adolescent. Theories abound as to why American children's bodies are maturing faster and theories such as prenatal vitamins and food additives are common explanations.

In essence, a child Lauren's age back then didn't have anything to show but her innocence. The way the show presented "Kathy" really wasn't all that uncommon and no one made any big deal about it. It was not too unusual to see little girls topless (in an innocuous context of course) in family programming even up through the 1970's. No one that I'm aware of thought anything of it. The children were completely innocent and looked...well, just like little children without adult-like features and without grown up concerns.

For all that has been gained since FTB first aired it seems like so much more has been lost. The bottom line is children just can’t be children anymore. It wouldn’t hurt to get some of that innocence back, but unfortunately, it looks like society is still headed in the wrong direction. Sadly, few children growing up today will ever even know that there was once a time where they could play freely outdoors or with neighbors without shame or fear.

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Just wanted to say, great post.

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Thanks for the positive words breather. There needs to be more like us who take a stand for reason and what is right.

Cheers,
Guardian

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Very well said. I was one of those semi-carefree kids of the 50s and 60s. I blame a lot of the fear on the media and our obsession with it. The more we as adults listen to the fear peddlers the more we instill that fear on our children. But what's the solution? Sometimes we need to watch the news because there may be a real predator in our midst, but do we really need to be afraid every single day? Or just alert to the possibilities without frying our kids brains with fear?

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts Ten-Inch-Toni

You are spot on about fear being pedaled by the media these days. Most every time you hear or read news about children it seems like it is always related to fear;
i.e. fears for their health,safety, development, education etc. For once I would like to hear some positive news about young people, but unfortunately sensationalism and worry trumps positive stories since they get the ratings.

Sadly, there are fewer and fewer people left who even remember a time where news was more "matter of fact" and less opinionated and emotionally charged...Sorry there I go again about "the good ol' days!"

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Hey, I'm right there with you Guardian. The 'News' pushes my sarcasm button every single time. I really have to bite my tongue when some of my more gullible friends start freaking out about things they 'just heard on the news'. It really makes me nuts at times. heh.

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Her parents????

Look up her bio on Wikipedia, and you'll see that she was sexually molested by her father as a child, and her mother was a drunk who just looked the other way.
Maybe Lauren herself objected to that scene but was poo-pooed by the director.

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Chapin also went through a period later on in which she was actually a prostitute. I wonder if this casual exposure to millions of viewers on TV at an early age had any influence on her later life.

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Far different reasons led to that, not a tiny scene in a single episode! I find the idea of that causing what later happened in her life ridiculous!

I've read/heard most of what follows through other sources:

Before, during and after Father Knows Best was in its original broadcast run, Chapin had a troubled childhood. Her father sexually abused her, and her mother was an alcoholic.

Following the cancellation of Father Knows Best, Chapin told a reporter in 1983: "I couldn't get a job. I'd been typecast as Kathy Anderson. The more I didn't work, the more my mother drank, and the more belligerent I became. I started running away from home. I became an incorrigible child." A 1981 newspaper article reported, "when acting roles failed to materialize, Chapin found work as a flight attendant, dog groomer, insurance claims examiner, carhop and cocktail waitress."

Chapin married at age 16 and was divorced at 18 (An article published January 2, 1981, in The Washington Post says that she "separated from her husband within two years. They divorced five years later."), became a drug addict, turned to prostitution to support her habit, and was sent to a psychiatric institution after she attempted suicide. In addition to using drugs, she sold drugs in San Francisco, and was arrested for forging a check in Hollywood. She acknowledged, "That was the beginning of several years in and out of jail."

After these troubles, Chapin became an evangelical Christian in 1979, which she credits with saving her life.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Chapin

In interviews I've seen, she said that the series was like the home she wished for; she said the three of them were shown love by caring people.


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Making sure our fantasies
Do not overpower our realities. ~ RC

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Far different reasons led to that, not a tiny scene in a single episode! I find the idea of that causing what later happened in her life ridiculous!

I never said that one scene in one episode caused her to become a prostitute. But it may have had some influence in addition to the other things that happened to her. I'm not much younger than she, and nine-year-old girls were not exposed like that at that time.

I'd bet that few if any women here of a similar age could relate a similar situation in their youth at that age.

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I'm in my mid-60s. I remember many instances when girls and boys were playing in the rain or at a pool. People did not freak out about CHILDREN doing that! It's not as if they were naked. It's difficult to tell a boy from a girl pre-puberty. Even nowadays, I see children with that androgynous look.

I guess people (most people) didn't have evil minds back then. I swear, today many see "dirt" everywhere, even in older films and TV series!

What's truly awful are beauty contests for little girls who are turned into "show ponies". They often have stacks of makeup, done-up hair and clothing completely inappropriate. I'd worry more about them being put through performances like that.

Again: What was going on at home formed her. One extremely brief scene wouldn't do damage. What about all of the scenes in movies in which children were showing being bathed, some of her age? Did they all go on to have problems? I doubt it.

By the way: I REMEMBER THE SIXTIES! I WAS THERE! I JUST DIDN'T DO DRUGS! I HATE that saying! We all didn't do drugs and delve into Free Love! In our graduating year of 1970, we knew the few students who were experimenting; the rest of us weren't the least bit interested. It was the same in college. The junior college I went to was near the top of the state's "party colleges" list that as compiled at the time; yet, I never went to a "kegger" and never encountered any sort of drugs. You had to be looking for it.

I remember the Sixties clearly enough to see that most movies get it very wrong, including the recent "The Man from U.N.C.L.E.", an atrocious travesty. The only thing about the time period it had right were about four of the women's outfits.



(W)hat are we without our dreams?
Making sure our fantasies
Do not overpower our realities. ~ RC

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Just because you had issues with your body doesn't mean others do too.
Others can be less vain and superficially worried about being "seen".
She was a kid, prepuberty.
This kind of thinking is what leads to people wearing full coverage, even their hair,face and hands! If you want it like that, go live in Iraq and wear a burqa in 100 degree weather!
RIDICULOUS!

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Just because you had issues with your body doesn't mean others do too.
Why don't you learn how to quote, so people know who you're talking about?

Others can be less vain and superficially worried about being "seen".
She was a kid, prepuberty.
Like I said, at 10 I was very cognizant of my body, my 'girl parts' if you will. Today, girls who are 10 are menstruating--and some become pregnant. Definitely not too young to be aware of their private space.

This kind of thinking is what leads to people wearing full coverage, even their hair,face and hands! If you want it like that, go live in Iraq and wear a burqa in 100 degree weather!
RIDICULOUS!
Huh? You're off your meds again, right? 


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Typical response about turning to drugs from a psycho troll. Over a decade and posts hourly! -lol
I don't want to learn to "quote" troll, this is not major in my life.
You are mentally ill and the internet is where you belong!
Don't project your hang ups on others,not everyone else was born with a face/body make for the internet! Looking at just your last two days posts, dr.phil, judge judy, 600lbs, hoarders, you are trash and have a trash mentality.
Fly away home troll, fly away...

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Yes, her chest was exposed. It was common in the 50s and considered ok since a young girl hasn't developed yet. I remember my mom had me wear my brothers swim trunks to play in the sprinklers when we were kids. I was five at the time and actually embarrassed. That was the last time my mom made me wear the trunks.

This is an old show, I don't suppose it will ever be censored unless a committee of people kick up a fuss about it. I really hope they don't though because the solution will probably be to just not air the episode any longer rather than taking the time to blur out her chest.

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I just saw the episode in question.

1) she was a little girl, there was no "boob" to see.

2) the "exposure" lasted about a half second.

3) no big deal here, nothing to say, nothing to see.

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Exactly.

I should have added that while I was embarrassed running through sprinklers outside I was never embarrassed in the house when my mom and older sister where helping me trying on clothes while my mother did the mending. Just exactly the scene that was happening in FKB. The scene lasts more than a second BUT not any longer than necessary to convey what was going on in the scene.

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