Unclear word


Hey all.

Firstly, I love this old picture - not very accurate but well-acted and with much more emotional resonance than Cameron's version.

Anyway, there's a line said by Norman (and echoed by Richard) that I don't understand. It's near the end, after Norman has gotten off the lifeboat, he says to his father, 'Still, you're XXX at me for coming back aren't you?' and his father replies, 'Yes, I'm XXX...'. The word sounds vaguely like 'sort' but I can't make heads nor tails of it. I figured it's some kind of old American slang, but to be honest, I'm not sure of the word itself...

Any thoughts?

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God! Are we that old that someone doesn't know the word "sore" in this context? Or that it has to be described as "slightly archaic"? I'm not being critical, just reflecting on the passage of time, even for movies.

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I am well aware of the word 'sore' being used as a synonym for 'mad' or 'displeased', but it seems to me that Normal implies that he means 'proud', given the context. As in, 'Still, your PROUD of me for coming back/being a man', etc. Normal saying, 'Still, your mad at me for coming back aren't you?', and his father calmly and stoically replying, 'Yes, I'm mad.' does not ring true.

Thanks for the replies anyway, and e-mlodik, shouldn't you be maintaining your unpopularity on the 'Titanic (1997)' boards? You must be a very, very unhappy person. I sincerely hope that being rude to strangers on the internet boosts your obviously deflated sense of self-esteem.

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Don't *beep* with me, fella - this ain't my first time at the rodeo!

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Don't you DARE act with me. WHY does it always have to be a contest with you!?

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Don't you EVER use that tone of voice with me, missy. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE TALKING TO?! I'll tell you what you're gonna do, you're gonna MARCH yourself to your room and STAY THERE until I tell you to come out!

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No... you... won't? YES YOU WILL!

Why can't you give me the respect that I'm entitled to? Why can't you treat me like I would be treated by any stranger on the street?

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... Maybe I did it for a little extra publicity. THAT'S NOT TRUE!... E-mlodik, you know that's not true!

You want the real reason? I did it because you're nothing but a rotten, crooked troll... supplying the grease that makes this *beep* imdb work. You think your life's a mystery? There isn't a dirty post up on this entire website that I don't know about, and YOUR hand is in EVERY ONE OF THEM... you REEK OF IT!!!

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So what, you expect me to ignore my fans? They're life and death to me, baby!

Anyway, to divert this (admittedly wonderful) thread back towards the original topic... I maintain there is something odd about that exchange! If the word is indeed 'sore', and it is meant to be taken as 'mad', then the lines are intonated bizarrely.

Norman (eagerly): Still, you're sore at me for coming back, aren't you?
Richard (bravely and stoically, gripping his son's shouder): Yes, I'm sore.

It just doesn't work for me...

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Mystery solved - I only have a VHS tape of the movie so was unable to check the subtitles. I concede, therefore, the wording of the line, but maintain that it is spoken incongruously. I blame Norman for his seeming eagerness in confirming that his father is angry with him. The whole thing comes off as absurd, but then, when the entire complement of remaining passengers later break out in song, I really ought not to be surprised.

As for digging up Brackett, do you have a shovel? I'd also like to show Sinatra who's boss, if we have time.

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Ha, you are dark. In your defence, she's already at the skeletal stage. Furthermore, I understand she's very much dead, on the inside.

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And marginally less attractive than Astor's corpse, post-whatever may have fallen on it.

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I think "You're sore at me, right?/Yes I'm sore at you" would be an appropriate exchange indicating that Father is no longer estranged and indifferent to the son. The boy's comforted* to hear what's familiar and expected--"You disobeyed me and naturally I'm angry"--even though the emotion and hugs show Dad's not really mad.


After all, the kid had to sacrifice his life so we could all be certain Clifton Webb rose above the circumstances of conception and accepted his son.


(*Probably a bit less comforted to realize he and Father aren't going to "make a swim for it.")

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