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Rate the three Titanic films


Of the three most recent Titanic films, Titanic(1997), Titanic AKA A Night to Remember(1958), Titanic(1953) which did you like best and why? Although I liked them all my ratings are: 1. 1953, 2.1958, 3.1997.

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A Night To Remember. I like the story of the ship itself over fictional love stories. Titanic (1997) is last, because it ignored the real Titanic.

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A Night to Remember is nicely played, more natural and understated, and so more tragic in my opinion, Titanic (1953) is more melodramatic but very moving at the end...I found Cameron's Titanic quite a boring and uninvolving soap opera, despite the 'better' special effects.
If I had to pick one I would recommend Kenneth More (whose character in real life had an incredible life and career) and a Night to Remember.

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This. 1997 was by far the worst. It also serves as a sad commentary on what passes today for an exceptional film.

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ok you people have no idea what ur talking about! Titanic 1997 best one ever!!!


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Rating the 3 of them depends on whether one is more interested in an account of the Titanic's final hours, or whether a story is created with the Titanic tragedy as a backdrop. I am the of the former.

A Night to Remember is definitely the best moment-by-moment account of what happened for those of us who are interested in that aspect. Sure, details are changed from Walter Lord's book, but it's hard to see any that really matter. Most changes are an unwillingness to say certain parties' names involved, and to change some of those names. I am glad it includes the role of the Californian in its story (unlike the other 2); though Cpn. Stanley Lord is one name no one will say; he was still trying to get his name cleared as late as the early 60's, and that made things more tedious. And, of course, the role of 2nd Ofc. Lightoller is magnified, as he was played by the biggest name in British cinema of that era. And who would make a movie about the Titanic without the legend of the band playing "Nearer, My God to Thee" just before being swamped? But at least A Night to Remember plays the right version that the band would have played, if they played it at all. I am inclined to believe this is just an added 'condiment' to the story after surivivors reached New York; but the last survivor who could remember and was willing to talk about it (Eva Hart, who died in 1996) was one who claimed that hymn-- the version played in the Anglican Church-- was played near the end, just not 'as they were going down.'

So of the other 2 movies, to me they are about even in dramatic quality, so I am more likely to want to watch 1997, with its color and effects. It's flaws are that that it's too drawn out and some incidents are too fantastic, and Rose and/or Jack often assumes temporarily the role of a true person involved; as when she sees Thomas Andrews standing alone in front of the painting, oblivious, and she says "Aren't you going to try for it, Mr. Andrews?" Actually it was a steward on a final check who saw him and said that.

I have just recently seen the 1953 version for the first time, and I was surprised that it has a lot of parallels with 1997. A fictional soap opera -like story; facts that are hard to deal with that become trivial at the time of great danger, new lovers that end up being star-crossed with the guy's death, even something of the class snobbery problem, more emphasized in 1997. But 1953 ends poorly, implying that all those in the lifeboats lived and all those left on the ship died, and that's it-- over.

Alright, I took the long to just saying: (1)A Night to Remember, (2)Titanic (1997), and (3)Titanic (1953).

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Titanic (1997) is my favourite movie of all time.

Benjamin Guggenheim's words about "acting like gentlemen" and "behaving decently" are not even touched upon in this version.


When Guggenheim - and his manservant I think - were offered lifejackets he said something like 'We are dressed in our best and prepared to go out as gentlemen.

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My favourite is a tie between the 1953 and 1958 versions, I simply have no time for Cameron's attempt. Barbara Stanwyck is one of my favourite actresses and the sharp-tongued Clifton Webb is always bound to be entertaining. Overall, it's melodramatic without being sloppy. As for the Rank version, it's nice to see all of the real-life characters played out. I've seen it many more times than either of the other two versions and it never fails to engage this viewer!

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I think that Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet could have had their "Mills & Boon" affair at anytime, anywhere - they could have had it in the Civil War, or in World War II. I think it was simply a re-incarnation of a Gone With the Wind/Cassablanca love affair, and its "vehicle" was Titanic.


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I'm with you. I just finished watching Barbara Stanwyck - Clifton Webb and it is very entertaining and the best. I've seen all three and since I like old movies this takes the cake. "A Night To Remember" is a chilling re-enactment and being in B&W gives it that dreary cold effect. I liked the Cameron one, not as much as the other ones. It was facinating to see the special effects and the real time, but nothing like watching Robert Wagner, Thelma Ritter & Brian Ahrene and Barbara waltzing across the floor.

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***retro_junkie23 said: ok you people have no idea what ur talking about! Titanic 1997 best one ever!!!***

No, jsmmov hits the nail on the head - A Night to Remember, Titanic (1953) and Titanic (1997). I couldn't have said it better.

Now don't get me wrong, the 1997 version is great, I saw it seven times in the theater, more times than I have gone to see any movie. The special effects are astounding, but the Molly Brown scene infuriates me no end. I'm tempted to throw things at the screen when I see it. Come on, James! If you were so concerned with realism, even to going down to the Titanic itself, why couldn't you get this scene (and the other ones noted by jsmmov) right?


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If you want pure fantasy, sure, it's ok. However, if you want the REAL story, "A Night to Remember" is what you want to see.

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wow, some old movies fan around here! he, well, I happen to like them this way:

3. 1957 Titanic - I even found this one boring, i could not wait to see when the ship hits the iceberg for some action, and i did not like even that, where's mr. Andrews??? The captain managed so quick to know they were going down and some of the outsides of the ship look very fake. The end was afwul, I mean they all accepted they were going to die and decided to sing? no one panicked as seen, if happens must be touching but i just don't see that happening, and no history after the ship's gone, they tied us but won't give us anymore, i was waiting for something more, as said before.

1. A night to remember, the best of the black and white versions as far as i remember since i watched it some years ago.

1. 1997 Titanic - More than a titanic film is a love history film with titanic, it is touching and accurate in most aspects. I do think that it is more about Rose and Jack than Titanic itself, but there are already some good videos about Titanic, the documentaries. Plus: good actings, a WONDERFUL score, and we get to see titanic sink, you cannot just tell what is especial effects and what is real.

Two first places I know, because it is hard for me to put them to compete, since so many years in difference, so many stuff happened and so may discoveries between them, but I can watch 1997 titanic again and I would completely watch it, not the other two.

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1958 - "A Night to Remember" One of my all time favourite movies

The 1953 and 1997 versions are a tie.

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1. Anight To Remember
2. Titanic (1997)
3. Titanic (1953)


Expanding on that, including two more films...

1. A Night To Remember
2. S.O.S. Titanic (1979)
3. Titanic (1996 CBS Two Part Movie)
4. Titanic (1997)
5. Titanic (1953)

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1. 1953 Titanic only because I've seen it more and I love Clifton Webb!
2. A Night to Remember - saw it a long time ago, I know I liked it, but I can't remember much about it. I guess I better find it and watch it again. It sounds great.

The 1997 Titanic doesn't even make the list because I disliked it so much. It was not as factual, there's nothing exciting about Leo and Kate's relationship (boring), and the special effects were just as good as the 1953 version. They did great things for having such limited technology way back when. The 1997 version was too graphic. We didn't need to see everyone dying and bodies floating around or the moms reading to their children as the ship was going down. It was very disturbing and not needed at all. They left nothing to the imagination as the older ones did. Those scenes were totally gratuitous. I'm sorry it received so many awards. It was really sick.

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What happened to our imagination? We all know what those people went through. Do we have to watch it? To me that's not entertainment. If it wasn't a true story, it would have been entertaining. Knowing those people existed and suffered as they did, was not. It was just very disturbing.




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1....'53.....DEFINATELY THE BEST

2.....'58.......GOOD DETAIL

4....'90'S WHATEVER POS//////OVER RATED

3......THERE'S A 4TH, WITH GEORGE C SCOTT AS THE CAPTAIN, THAT'S MY #3.....THE ONLY DOWN SIDE TO IT IS AN UNNESSERSARY RAPE SCENE WITH TIM CURRY....BUT SCOTT IS fantastic AS CAPTAIN SMITH

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Among the OP's original trio --

A Night to Remember (1958) is by far the most accurate as to its depiction of the story and characters, the best acted, and unquestionably the saddest and most emotionally involving. Still the best Titanic film, despite some flaws.

Titanic (1953) is good melodrama, highly inaccurate historically, with a great cast, but too many two-dimensional characters and an unrealistic and even insulting view of class distinctions (or, in the film, lack thereof) of the era. Plus they don't even have the correct side of the ship hit by the berg (the inexplicable underwater shot). Very enjoyable, but nowhere near ANTR.

Titanic (1997) -- I agree with the posters above who find this the least good. A stupid script and one-dimensional, dopey characters sink what could otherwise have been a very engrossing movie. It does have its gut-wrenching moments and besides the quality of its effects easily is the most accurate and realistic depiction of the sinking, all in its favor. But as drama it's on a 13-year-old's level.

I don't much care for the TV movies, SOS Titanic (1979) and the George C. Scott Titanic (1996), which suffer from the usual TV cheapness and hurried production, despite good actors. The former takes most of its effects from ANTR.

But there are other films touching on the subject, notably the wartime German propaganda film Titanic from 1943 (mentioned by others above), which is wholly unrealistic but fascinating as a piece of anti-British propaganda from the Nazi perspective.

When Alfred Hitchcock was brought to America by David O. Selznick in 1939, his first project was to have been a massive film on the disaster to be called (what else?) "Titanic". But Selznick decided the film would be too expensive and cancelled it. (Supposedly the 1953 film was broadly along the lines of what Selznick had had in mind as to basic story, mixing fact with fiction.) But imagine what a Hitchcock-directed film on the subject could have been like!

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I generally agree with all of what you say in ranking the Titanic movies hob except for "SOS Titanic" which I think is a solid #2 behind ANTR because it at least tells us some interesting real stories not depicted elsewhere and most importantly gives voice to the neglected Second Class perspective with David Warner, who is spot-on perfect as Lawrence Beesley. I don't have any problem with his non-romance with the fictional Susan Saint James character because she serves the important conceit of giving Beesley someone to talk to and express aloud the many observations he made about the ship in his book which is IMO the best one that attempted to recapture the sights and sounds of what it was like to travel on Titanic.

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Some good points as always, Eric. I confess not to have seen SOS Titanic since its initial broadcast in 1979, except for one or two glimpses in repeats, still many years ago; so most of my opinions may suffer from weak memories! Still, despite, as I said, some good acting, and accepting your input about some good story lines such as Beesley's, nonetheless I still see it as a (perhaps necessarily) cheaper, more hurried and less-well-done production than any theatrical release. That's in the nature of television, and of TV writers and directors.

What is it that causes TV producers to rush into production chintzy TV versions of a previously-filmed sinking ship story, even as a big-budget real-movie remake is on its way? I cite both TV's Titanic (1996) vs. the 1997 theatrical blockbuster, and the 2005 TV The Poseidon Adventure, followed by '06's Poseidon. Originality?!

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I'm not sure that TV production is instinctively nowadays less well-done than theatrical ones. Had the original script for the 96 Titanic miniseries been used (which did not zap Thomas Andrews from the narrative, and did not have the disturbing Tim Curry steward from Hell rapist) it would have been a clearly superior production to the 97 movie (as it is, both are bad, though I hate Cameron more because of its reputation). In terms of the two bad Poseidon remakes, I thought the TV one was better (which admittedly wasn't saying much).

The best way to experience SOS Titanic is to find the hard to find original ABC broadcast version. The more common version on video is the butchered overseas theatrical edit that not only removes some 40 minutes of critical exposition it also removes the important framing device of opening the film with the rescue of the survivors and flashing back to the voyage. I still cherish my 1987 TBS recording of the original version and just need to get it transferred to DVD-R now! (I'd also add that Ian Holm is the best of all screen Ismays there's ever been)

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Even expensive TV is, I find, poorer by far in fx (which is, after all, the popular focal point of any Titanic movie) than theatrical films.

Anyway, I didn't know that there was an initial draft of the script for the 1996 TV film that included Andrews and excluded Curry. That one too I saw only once, and in fact I don't recall even seeing quite all of it. This insistence on lurid fabrications in these films is very annoying.

Of course, the 1953 movie also made no mention of Andrews (or Ismay). As I said in a thread I started last week, while I like the '53 it is such an ungodly whitewash (WhiteStarWash?) of the Titanic tragedy and everything that led up to it that it really is in many respects very offensive -- historically and humanistically. I don't disagree about Cameron, and I dislike him intensely, but the ineptitude of his script is overcome by the scale of the disaster as depicted, the one aspect of the film I found compelling (and superior to any previous production). But then, give me $200,000,000 and I'll do something spectacular, too.

If we could only combine the qualities of the 1958 ANTR with the spectacle and detail of the sinking itself in the '97 claptrap, we'd really have something.

BTW, speaking of television, one of the anthology series of the 50s -- I believe it was Playhouse 90 -- did a live TV production of A Night to Remember in 1955 or '56, soon after Walter Lord's book came out. I've seen a still or two from it, and have no idea if a copy still exists, but that would be something to see...especially as, given the extreme restrictions of time, space and capabilites available in a live, studio-bound broadcast, the narrative would necessarily have had to emphasize character over spectacle. I know the program got good reviews at the time, and I'll bet none of the fatuous TV movies of later decades could hold a candle to it.

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I have a rough quality kinescope of the Playhouse 90 production of ANTR. Claude Rains narrates, and the cast includes Patrick Macnee as Thomas Andrews (Avengers connection! Honor Blackman, his first leading lady on that show of course was in the movie version of ANTR). It's great for what it is in the limits of live TV and also manages to utilize Lord's writings to good effect when Rains is doing connective narration.

I am more forgiving of the 1953 film than I am of Cameron because with 53, I go in right from the outset knowing that (1) they made this movie before ANTR was published and a time when Titanic buffdom didn't exist on a wide scale and where the accurate information was so easily at our fingertips and (2) the Titanic is only meant to serve as a backdrop for the soap opera storyline so it's really the fascination of watching great actors of that era do their thing like Stanwyck and Webb that makes it fun to watch. It's also better movie making from the standpoint of strong script, strong acting, which is non-existent in Cameron IMO. If anything the too accurate authenticity of the backdrop only serves to highlight just how bad the script and acting (save for Victor Garber as Andrews, who with his musical theater background I wish had done Andrews in the Broadway musical Titanic which I saw four times) was for me.

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Hey, I'm impressed you found that Playhouse 90 kinescope. Thank you for the synopsis of that production. I have to look for it.

If you've read Walter Lord's acknowledgements in his book A Night to Remember, he has a sentence that reads, "Helen Hernandez of 20th Century Fox has been a gold mine of useful leads." I actually haven't read that line in over 30 years but still remember it verbatim. That's because Helen Hernandez was the personal assistant/secretary to producer Charles Brackett, who, after Billy Wilder broke up their hugely successful partnership after their joint Sunset Boulevard in 1950, soon after moved to Fox and took Ms. Hernandez with him. Clearly she was the point woman in finding and interviewing survivors of the disaster who, 40 years later, were contacted for their technical input for Titanic in 1953. So, much of the information she helped garner for the '53 movie ended up in the book two years later.

I disagree that the Titanic was merely the backdrop for the Webb-Stanwyck soap opera; to the contrary, and quite obviously, it was the other way around. As I wrote above, the notion of doing a Titanic movie had been kicking around Hollywood for years, and it was that story, of the sinking itself, and clearly not the tacked-on, rather hackneyed, commonplace soap opera plot, that was the primary motivation behind the film. By contrast, consider Fox's Cavalcade (1933), which did use the Titanic as the backdrop for one of its story threads, but not as the primary focus of any part of the film.

When I saw Cameron's overblown mess my first thought was that this is basically a reworking of the 1953 film. In truth, Cameron's graphic depictions of the sinking itself are breathtaking and accurate, and his portrayal of class differences -- not the simplistic, if not downright moronic, "good, honest, salt-of-the-Earth steerage vs. the one-dimensional, evil first-class louts" subtext, but the depiction of how steerage passengers were in fact discriminated against, even in abandoning ship -- are basically spot-on. I do contrast these with the false impression given by '53, the honest upper classes trying desperately to assist the ignorant immigrants belowdecks, which is just plain (and insulting) garbage. But as to the quality of the cast, the acting, and the relative sophistication of the '53 film vs. '97, there is, I agree, no comparison. Overall I prefer 1953, but am not blind to its flaws; neither, hyper-critical of so many aspects of the '97 film as I am, am I so closed to its few (albeit spectacular) merits that I cannot give credit where credit is due...even if, lamentably, it is due to such an arrogant, repulsive jerk as James Cameron.

Although...I was quite taken with his IMAX Titanic film, exploring the wreck, of a few years back. The DVD contains an extra 30 minutes' footage and the results are truly spectatcular, Cameron's hype notwithstanding.

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Ugh!
Definitely Kate Winslet & Leo first!! DUH!
And NO it DID NOT neglect the Titanic! It wasn't even based on the Titanic. It was based on Rose and Jack's insepretiable LOVE!!!
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Then A Night to Remember.
Then Nearer My God to Thee.

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I like the Barbara Stanwyck version the best; all of the actors were great. "A Night to Remember" was very good, but I didn't care for the Kate Winslet movie, even though she is a very good actress; I didn't care for Leo. He seemed a lot younger than her for some reason. I think if River Phoenix had lived he would have done a better job.

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