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Too Many Obvious Studio Soundstage Scenes


Shane is not only one of my favorite Westerns but favorite films, period. But I have to take director George Stevens to task for filming a key scene on a soundstage and generally inserting studio shot close-ups in outdoor shot scenes. Several scenes at the Starrett farm were filmed against the backdrop of the majestic Teton Mountains outside of Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Yet, the crucial fistfight scene between Ladd and Heflin was obviously filmed on a replica of the farm on a Hollywood soundstage. The funeral scene, generally filmed outdoors, was marred by a close-up of Ladd with clouds and sky intruding in the background as if Ladd were watching from atop Mt.Olympus.

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I guess there is just not pleasing some folks.

How about taking nearly every other western film director(pre-Shane) to task for building western towns the exact same way for decades,so we don't see Culver City in the background.

The Searchers has a few soundstage scenes,the killing of Futterman for one,directed by one of the masters(Ford),im sure Unforgiven made 40 years later has some soundstage scenes,with respect to you,it is a rather pedantic observation.

How about concentrating on the positive aspects of that scene,the drama of the fight,the interplay between husband and wife(Heflin & Arthur),the annoyance of Joey,"bang","bang",banging away on his toy gun,the cattle jumping the goddamn fence,as a whole,that's one of the great scenes in any film,be it a western or any genre,just because it was filmed on a soundstage does'nt make it any less powerful.

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Of the 40 or so times I've seen Shane, that indoor/outdoor (or is it vice-versa)scene has always been noticeable, then glaring, and now somewhat annoying. The sound of the dog barking and the cow howling reverberates and echoes off the studio ceiling and walls adding more to the artificiality of the scene Stevens builds a farm set at the foot of the majestic Tetons, then films the penultimate dramatic scene just off the intersection of Melrose and Gower in L.A. Ford did the same with Scar's village at the end of The Searchers.

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I always liked the acoustics of that scene,rather haunting,perhaps that's why he chose to shoot it indoors,also it was at night so i think Stevens for the most part gets away with it,primarily due to the drama unfolding before our eyes,had they chose to shoot it in daylight with the majestic Tetons towering over them as they fight it may have been too much of a distraction for the audience,almost like another character in the frame.

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Maybe or the director just wanted to shoot in a controlled environment with no variables like weather, daylight, etc. The shooting of Elisha Cook on an outdoor set was far more effective than it would have been back at Paramount.

Stevens makes effective use of sound throughout--the blast of Shane's six-gun in the target practice scene, Shane's instinctive reach for his gun at the kitchen table after being startled by the cow outside the window.

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As you point out, sound is a key to this scene as well as it is to the whole picture. Stevens was very interested in the sound portion of the picture when he made Shane.

The scene is very complex on many levels and simply could not have been done if Stevens, the actors, and the technical departments had to pull it off on Mother Nature's shooting schedule -- sunset becoming night, night becoming darker night, shadows changing, etc. Additionally, tough to expose color film properly then ('51-'52) at night. "Day for night", imo, was never as impressive to me as a beautifully designed and executed indoor location. I could see where both of the above would annoy the film literalists of today's generation. I think both add a certain charm to a movie.

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If you're saying that scene was taken indoors because it was too tough to shoot on location, then shame on Stevens. But I don't believe that.

But I do blame Stevens for violating the laws of physics in Shane's gunning down of Morgan Ryker. The trajectory of that shot had a better chance of hitting Joey than Morgan in the rafters.

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Shane is not without it's imperfections,but i don't love the film less for that,or feel i have to take a great director to task over decisions that were made,personally i find the all too obvious stunt doubles in the bar-room brawl scene cringeworthy,but Stevens makes up for it by creating a bar room brawl scene that is so memorable,especially the scary close up of Van Heflin's eyes when entering the scene with wooden bat in hand.

I think the Tetons bookend the film nicely,however it is the human drama,conflict,relationships that develop within that landscape that make the film a classic that stands the test of time.

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Shane is one of my all-time favorites as well. I, too, cringe at some bits of business like an obvious double of Shane returning his six-shooter to his holster like some carny sharpshooter. He just gunned down 3 bad guys...wasn't that enough to impress?

But all the relationships developed, human drama, etc. wouldn't have been enough for me had Shane come to a peaceful settlement with the Rykers.

The Tetons were a presence thruout the film. More than bookends, they were also the books in between.

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... also it was at night ...
Arguably the key reason IMO. Should add I think the OP is quibbling. The location scenery and the studio-built town are terrific and I love the funeral scene atop "boot hill" looking down towards the town.🐭

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I saw the film recently. Somehow it felt like being filmed on sound stage, yet you can see cows really far and some houses. So I was always wondering how much of it is actually filmed in sound stage as it all felt somewhat fakey, but transitions (if there were any) were unnoticable.

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Even in the 1960's when I was a kid, tens of millions of Americans watched 'Bonanza' and their sound stage sets were jaw-dropping - so phony they wouldn't pass muster in a high school play. Jackson Hole is SO GLORIOUSLY beautiful the whole movie should have been made there complete without one phony set. Still I like all the good stuff enough to forgive.

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For me the most obvious use of an indoor/outdoor soundstage set was the Barnyard Dance sequence. A beautiful sequence, but almost spoilt by its artificiality. But it was sadly commonplace in its time. It seems to have taken well over half-a-century for the cinema to totally liberate itself from the theatre.

Yet, ironically, many silent films appear to have an entirely natural look. The use of electric lighting and the introduction of sound recording seem to have been at least partly responsible for the anti-cinematic stageyness that was common in Talkies.

I've read that Elia Kazan's "East of Eden" (1954) was a favourite of art directors because no outdoor scenes were shot on the soundstage.

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Films like Shane and The Searchers were made under the studio system. The studios had a lot of say over the budget, hence the indoor sets. On site location only really began to a limited degree in the later forties, although Westerns for obvious reasons went on site in the thirties. Stevens and Ford likely had to accommodate themselves to studio wishes.

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Not to mention, movies - or should I say 'a movie' made in those days was to be watched once, maybe twice if it was really good. No freeze frames. re-winds, endless viewings and so forth. A first time run through didn't allow for this intense scrutiny. Even a glaring error pretty much had to be ignored and forgot about because the movie wasn't going to be paused while you discussed the error with the people in the seats next to you. If the error occurred early enough in the film and the film was an otherwise amazing one, only the very picky would recall it on the way out of the theatre.

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