Wendy is the heroine, closer to the age demographic and a far better role model. I know little girls love fairies but they changed Tink's personality completely because she's so nasty in the movie.
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I have noticed ONE THING. Ppl, society, etc.. in general LOVE mean, nasty FEMALES. It's funny, they usually hate mean nasty males but love female equivalent.
I was just thinking if Tinkerbell had been a guy fairy, and still had the same brutal, mean personality, ppl would prolly HATE him. Go figure lol
Look at how beloved Miss Piggy is, she is usually everyone's favorite Mupphet, and she is a total bully.
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it's funny, I've noticed that too. Like how hated many of the older Disney females are (not just the three Classic Princesses, though definitely and probably mostly them, but Faline, Wendy, etc.)
but so many of the newer, mouthier ones are loved. Apparently being sweet or polite is bad now- you must be rude, aggressive, loud and generally badly behaved! It's also funny you mentioned the point about guys, which I agree with. Those are stereotypical male traits yet they're considered okay in women but bad in actual males! And women who act like gentle, kind ladies are considered weak, boring, or stupid. It makes no sense.
I think a lot of mean girls amuse people- look at Regina George. she's loved. she's funny and her ruthlessness entertains people. Or many or Michelle Rodriguez's characters, who are typically masculine and emotionless but cool, she's an action girl! Then look at characters like Sansa Stark who are feminine, meeker, and get hated on.
A lot of people seem to dislike Princess Merida for being a brat though. I'm not sure why, because she certainly is not the first to be rude or mean. She even admits she was a brat so I think she deserves some kudos there, when most of those mean types would die before admit they behaved wrong.
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Ppl love sweet guys and mean girls lol I'm not sure why really.
If a guy acts mean, bratty, spoiled, etc most ppl see him as a jerk or an abuser and want to "kick his ass". But if a girl does it, it's CUTE.
It's kinda like when ppl record their kids throwing tantrums and put them on Youtube ~which I don't know WHY anyone would do that~ If it's a little girl screaming and throwing a tantrum all the comments are like, "Aww how cute" "Wow she's a strong spirited lil think, she will go far in life!" "ADORABLE!"
BUT if it's a little boy throwing a tantrum, ppl are like, "Man! I'd beat his ass!!" "I'd whip him with a belt hard!" "Disgusting, total LOSER of a kid!" I am actually shocked at some of the things ppl say.
Also OTHER double standards:
Tink is usually regaurded as TOUGH, but again if it was a male fairy doing the things Tink did I'm pretty sure he'd be looked at as coward, like trying to get Wendy killed, and using KIDS to do it, Im sure he would be looked at as anything but tough.
And Tink obviosuly has a HUGE crush on Peter, but if it were a male fairy crushing on a young 10 or so year old girl I'm pretty it would be looked at as sick and HE would be looked at as a pedophile, Tink seemed to be the equivalent to a fully grown woman to me with breast and hip curvature and all, and she's crushing on a 10 year old boy.
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Yeah and Peter Pan eats Tinkerbell grape jelly.
Create a society in which you would like to live, not knowing what you're going to come into it as.
Tinkerbell should be and works on the merchandise because:
Tinkerbell and the concept of Neverland is like the anthem for childhood and for Disney who's target audience is children or rather the innocent child in us all there is no better symbol than Tinkerbell.
Yes Tinkerbell can be nasty and downright cruel at times but I'd argue that like Peter it's because she's a extreme version of a child. Neverland is where you never grow up so Tink is never fully disciplined in what's right or wrong she does and thus behaves like a child unaware of her flaws and dangers of what she's doing at least not fully cause she always just does what she wants. However Tink is redeemed by the end of the movie. She acknowledges in part what she's done is wrong and even almost sacrfices herself for someone she cares about which I think in a company that is about a being the hero and what you'd do for true love and what not she's a pretty good role model for that.
Also a big part of Disney is magic and the theme of fantasy and wishes coming true. Who better to symbolise that an a fairy- a weilder of magic, a granter of wishes or rather the desire to fly/be free. Also she's got a dreamlike quality about her with the fairy dust and all which gives a sense of dreams and dreaming which goes with the "wish upon a star" stance of disney.
She's cute. The icon for Disney has to be physically appealing to create the message of the company being attractive and appealing.
Wendy is a great character and you can meet and greet her easily at the Disney parks so she's not so cut off from the Disney department but as the face of an entire brand that is marketing fantasy, childhood and magic? No it needs to be a magical, more visually interesting character.
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'newer, mouthier ones are loved. Apparently being sweet or polite is bad now- you must be rude, aggressive, loud and generally badly behaved!'
So hang on a minute, actually speaking your mind and doing the things that you actually want to do and not just sitting around waiting for a prince makes them 'mouthy, rude, aggressive and badly behaved'?! WTF?!
I never liked Cinderella, Snow White and Sleeping Beauty because they were too girly and too 'perfect' and did nothing the entire films except go on about waiting for a prince!
I loved the later ones like Mulan, Meg, Merida because they were strong characters that actually did things that weren't girly and they weren't perfect but that made them more relatable and a hell of a lot more entertaining! These characteristics didn't make them mean though!
No one says it's bad to be sweet and polite, of course those are good things to be, but you can also have a personality which I always found the originals lacked! Ariel and Belle were sweet and polite but they still actually did things and were interesting enough to root for.
I like both types of characters when done well and FYI I actually really like Sansa Stark! To start with I didn't because she didn't seem to have much to her but as she's been developed she's a lot more interesting and one of the things I like most about her is that she always remained sweet and polite to everyone!
Mean girls are generally more entertaining because they say and do the things that most of us would never dare to say or do but there is a big difference between mean girls and girls that actually stand up for themselves and I think the difference needs to be recognised a lot more!
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Saying Merida (the one-dimensional b*tch) is more entertaining than Cinderella, Snow White, and "Sleeping Beauty" (not her name, by the way) makes your whole argument invalid.
shareI don't think it does. I also mentioned Mulan, Meg, Ariel, and Belle. All of which I find more entertaining than Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, and (especially) Snow White. One character that I like and you don't doesn't make my entire point and argument invalid, just as I would never say your whole argument is invalid just because you may like Snow White.
I don't, personally, find Merida one-dimensional at all. She goes through a lot of change and personal growth in the movie. I also never thought of her as a bitch. She was a 16 year old girl who just didn't want to be forced into marriage, which is perfectly understandable. The way she went about trying to change that was wrong but her point was valid and she learnt from it and matured. The entire point of the movie was that both Merida and her Mum were being too stubborn to actually listen to the other person. Once they both opened up to each other and made the effort to understand one another, their relationship improved and their bond was mended. So, yes, I personally find the three-dimensional, arrow-wielding, adventurous, wild haired, Scottish princess a hell of a lot more entertaining than the princesses that do housework and need to be rescued by the prince.
Also, while I do appreciate that you have a different opinion on them than I do and I respect that, I do find it a bit rich that you're calling Merida one-dimensional in defence of the original three princesses who I would consider the most one-dimensional out of all the princesses.
Also, while I do appreciate that you have a different opinion on them than I do and I respect that, I do find it a bit rich that you're calling Merida one-dimensional in defence of the original three princesses who I would consider the most one-dimensional out of all the princesses.This coming from the person defending Merida, the most boring Disney Princess ever. Don't give heat if you can't take heat.
Don't give heat if you can't take heat.
Also, I find it rich that you're hating on "Sleeping Beauty" when you don't even know her name (how do people hate someone whose name they don't know?). Just like every other ignorant person on the Internet.
I love the 'classic' Princesses, BUT they are rather helpless without their Princes. It's a shame they can't come up with a lady-like Princess that can hold her own and rescue herself. I rather liked Merida. I am in my 50s, though, so growing up the 'classic' Princess was what we had. I don't like the way they treated the lead male in Rapunzel (Tangled); I was hoping for a really good story because I always loved Rapunzel's hair as a child... I had long hair (not as long as hers!) and my daughter has long hair.
shareIt's funny, they usually hate mean nasty males but love female equivalent.
I wish it was Peter Pan on all of the merchandise instead of Tinker Bell.
shareEerieForest: I wish it was Peter Pan on all of the merchandise instead of Tinker Bell.
I think if the film were released in this century, Wendy would be a very highly promoted heroine. As it is, Tinker Bell is in the same Disney magic galaxy as the Blue Fairy, the heart of what makes Disney Disney.
I also think it would be more of a question if they actually did market Tinker Bell as she carries herself through most of the film, instead as you say they lighten her up for commerce.
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