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Was this movie influenced by German culture?


I'm thinking perhaps the reason the movie seems so subversive, and most people see a sort of sexual undertone to it, might be because it's based on a German film called 5,000 Vingers of Dr. T. I'm guessing it's the same name, because after 5,000 Vingers the rest of the title is in German, and I don't know much German. Here's a link to the site where I heard about the movie: http://hometown.aol.com/seivadj18/vingers.html

I am mostly familiar with the German culture from listening to Rammstein. Some of their songs are based on or refer to different children's poems/stories from Germany. There is a song off their album Rosenrot called Hilf Mir, which is based on a poem from the children's poetry book Struppenwelten. The title in English is Help Me. The poem is about a girl who plays with matches, and burns herself to death by lighting herself on fire accidentally. This poem is intended for children, can you even imagine such a dark story being told to children in America for example?

This is why I think there is such a dark tone to The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T. As well as some of the "gay" tones to the film. I think alot of people may forget that America isn't the only country in the world, and a majority of other countries aren't nearly as homophobic as we have been. What you might see as gay, would be seen just as art by another culture.

As far as the S&M overtones some people might see in the film, there is a strong sense of how you should obey in German culture, and serious threat if you should be in trouble. Not at all to the extent of Hitler, but more like the "spare the rod spoil the child" phrase from the Bible. A friend of mine who is German, told me that German people really find an ability to work and do things well of huge importance. Kind of like what people think of Asian people, that they're really smart, because they're from a culture that really pushes academic/work acheivment.

So you have Bart who is disobeying, and Dr. T being the authoritarian who is looking to punish him and the other boys. If you want to see it as a Dr. T being a top, and Bart being a bottom as they say in S&M circles, fine..it's analogous to the relationship of being under authortarian control. However, it does not mean that it is what was intended to come across as in the film.

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One small point; the German program was based on this film, not the other way around.

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Another small point: the 5000 Vingers movie is Dutch, not German. (The German word for finger is...Finger.) Or, at any rate, the website you linked to is in Dutch, not German.

Having lived in Germany, and spent time in the Netherlands, I think you're overestimating things in your post. While you might be correct in a general sense that German (or Central European) culture may be more authoritarian/dark/sexual/whatever than what Americans are used to, that does not touch every aspect of their culture. In short, I think this movie would still be considered strange in Germany. Perhaps marginally less strange, but only marginally.

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It's "Struwwelpeter", not "Struppenwelten". I remember reading the story about the boy who sucked his thumb in an English language story book, but with the horrific original illustrations. This was maybe forty years ago in a doctor's waiting room.

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For me, the German link is the LOOK of this film, which could very well have been designed by one of the expressionists of the 1920s.

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The Art Director and Set Decorator based their work on drawings provided to them by Dr. Seuss. Anyone at all familiar with his books will recognize this at once.


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The sets may be "inspired" by Dr. Seuss but their real origins are more from 1950's gay male paranoia. The dungeon ballet was interesting, but it's not at all right in a kid's movie - way too psychoanalytical and well, way too gay. The whole movie is too dark. It's the as if the Wizard of Oz had no Munchkinland and was all set in the wicked witch's castle. Many of the sets are quite striking and there is some resemblance to Dr. Seuss, but it's Dr. Seuss as seen from a dark 1950's artsy gay man's taste.

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The sets may be "inspired" by Dr. Seuss but their real origins are more from 1950's gay male paranoia. The dungeon ballet was interesting, but it's not at all right in a kid's movie - way too psychoanalytical and well, way too gay.


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Well, Dr. Seuss/ Ted Geisel was 100% German-American.

If you see Hitler as Dr.Terwilliker, Geisel was thoroughly anti-Hitler, anti-Big Guy pushing Little Guy around. He drew cartoons urging the US to enter WWII before Pearl Harbor.

"Yertle the Turtle" was Hitler without a moustache. (He originally gave him a Hitler 'stache, but took it out, as it made it too obvious.)

In the Do-Me-Do song, Dr. T ends with dress me up in pretzels and bock beer suds. Geisel's grandfather was a German immigrant who started a brewery in Springfield, Mass.

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Many visual elements reminded me of the German silent picture "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari"

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I came here because I just found out the music for "The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T" (except "Chopsticks" and the amazing piece performed by the prisoners in the dungeon) is credited to the same guy who wrote "Falling in Love Again" in the film "The Blue Angel" (1930), Friedrich Hollaender. Apparently he wrote all the music for that film and wrote the original German lyrics for the song. The English lyrics were written by Sammy Lerner and do not include a more erotic second verse in the German version, the English version just repeats the first verse. I think The Blue Angel was made in German and English versions and not just dubbed in English. I've seen it both ways and with my high school German it has always struck me that in the English version Marlene Dietrich sings "(Falling in love again, never wanted to, what am I to do?) I can't help it." but in the German version the last part is "Gar nichts!" which I think is a more emphatic way of saying "absolutely nothing". I've never known what the rest of the German lyrics mean but I just found these links -

Here's a link to a website that has the German lyrics and an English translation:

http://lyricstranslate.com/en/Ich-bin-von-Kopf-bis-Fuss-Auf-Liebe-Ich-bin-von-Kopf-bis-Fuss-Auf-Liebe.html

This website has the English lyrics:

http://www.metrolyrics.com/falling-in-love-again-lyrics-marlene-dietrich.html

This is the website of an individual who offers her own translation along with the original German and English lyrics:

http://annehodgson.de/2011/07/18/marlene-dietrich-falling-in-love-again-ich-bin-von-kopf-bis-fuss/

Hollaender left Germany in1933 and worked in Hollywood, he wrote the music for another song Marlene Dietrich sang, "See What the Boys in the Back Room Will Have" in the Western "Destry Rides Again" (1939). He went back to Germany in 1956.

If you haven't seen The Blue Angel maybe you've seen a spoof of Falling in Love Again: "I'm Tired" sung by Madeline Kahn in "Blazing Saddles".

Hollaender is credited here with the music for all the songs in Dr. T except "Chopsticks" but there is no mention of the "symphony" (as I call it) with all the sections of the dungeon orchestra playing solos that are a little rough and discordant to the ear, and then all of them together play a beautiful finale. It reminds me of "Rhapsody in Blue". Unless this song is it, but this description sounds like the elevator song, since the "symphony" doesn't have any words:

"The Dungeon Song
Music by Friedrich Hollaender (as Frederick Hollander)
Lyrics by Dr. Seuss
Sung by masked, uncredited cast member"

I first saw Dr. T a few years ago on a broadcast TV subchannel that only ran vintage Columbia Pictures movies and TV shows. I've seen it several times since then. I love the dressing-up song, it seems the most Dr. Seuss-like with mention of snoods and mouse fur, etc. Also the atomic nature of the sound deadening device - I've seen a Mike Hammer movie from about the same time involving the theft of some radioactive material and it has a finale - apparently missing from some prints - on a par with the end of Bart's dream.

Edit: "Kiss Me Deadly" (1955)

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