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Non-goof, Goofs + Baseball and Alexander History


Someone has listed as a goof that this movie depicts Alexander winning the 1926 Series on his strikeout of Tony Lazzeri, when the game actually lasts two more innings. Well the movie certainly does depict that, showing Doris Day as Mrs. Alexander rushing to the Stadium when she learns Alex has been brought into pitch in that 7th inning in which the bases were loaded, but not arriving until the 9th when Alex was still on the mound.

There is however one goof. A player named Metkovich is seen in the movie. The real ballplayer George Metkovich does appear in the movie as an actor, but his career began well after Alex retired and no other player with that last name ever played with Alexander. There are a number of actual ballplayers in the movie portraying players, one of which is the great pitcher Bob Lemon as pitcher Jess Haines. The IMDb notes this, but later on also has Jack Lemmon in that role. This would appear to be an obvious goof as well.

Grover Cleveland Alexander actually did get beaned and did have double vision for an extended period of time. The unidentified illness that he suffered from was epilepsy, which may have been caused by that blow to the head. And while that may have contributed to his drinking, he drank heavily before he was diagnosed and continued drinking even after being traded to the Cardinals.

The movie shows Grover, or Pete as many of his teammates called him (another thing the movie doesn't mention), out of baseball for an extended period before Rogers Hornsby arranges for him to join the Cards. This wasn't really true. The Cubs simply traded him there. Pete actually did play for the House of David for about eight years, but not until his major league playing days were over. And just as an aside the House of David, despite the name and the players long beards were not as most people thought a team of religious Jews, but rather an organization of Christian evangelicals.

And Pete's career did not end with that 1926 Series. He actually played another 4 years with the Cards, having one of his better seasons in 1927, winning 21 games. He did not however play with Rogers Hornsby again, as Hornsby's reward for managing the team to a championship as a player/manager was a trade to the New York Giants. Hornsby's performance as a player had lessened due to the pressures of being both a player and the manager, but it quickly returned after that trade and his returning to the status of player only.

As the movie begins there is a picture of his Hall of Fame plaque which appeared to be doctored to make him look like Ronald Reagan. While Pete was named after one President and portrayed by a man who would one day be elected to that office, pictures of him as he aged revealed that he actually looked like a 3rd President, Dwight David Eisenhower.

And while certain liberties were taken with the facts presented, Alexander was a truly great player and today still holds the record for career wins by a National League pitcher and the mark for most shutouts in one season by a major leaguer. His excellence allows him to be one of a handfull of pitchers who can legitimately lay claim to the title of the greatest pitcher to ever play. Hornsby too, though as a hitter, was also one of the greatest players ever, and like Pete can also legitimately lay claim to that mantle of greatest ever, though as a batter.

And for those of you who are not big baseball fans, that is not a mistake. Hornsby's given name was Rogers, not Roger. It was his mother's maiden name.

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Thanks for filling us in on the Alexander's history and background. I watched this film with no explanation provided on Alexander's medical problem within the film itself, and I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that Alexander's problem was related to the head injury, and I assumed he had a severe concussion which caused the double vision, and later proved to be a severe injury to his inner ear which caused the severe vertigo he was describing as a spinning sensation, and specifically, dizziness and dropping to the ground. I also assumed the doctors had no idea what was really causing the problem. I'm not doubting your explanation of Alexander's medical condition, but can you tell me what sources you can lead me to to further read up on his medical history?

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another goof is in the "footage" of the 1926 World Series..... the players all have numbers on their uniforms.... while the Yankees were the first team to do it, that wasn't until 1929...

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Actually for a 1950's movie the goofs were relatively minor, as it was simply the Cubs in last place sold/waiver price Alexander to Cards (oddly enough a completely un-Branch Rickey move who built the deepest minor system ever.) Also the whole throwing a meatball so Hornsby get a hit and stay in the majors is way over the top. Also it could be said that it was a goof that the other players could actually stand being round Roger.

However the movie seemed to completely miss the subject of epilepsy and his drinking. Putting the ever sunny Reagan and Doris in the movie it seemed like these were setbacks in their lives and it ends happily with the 1927 strikeout. In all reality Grover Alexander was one heck of pitcher but seemed to live a tortured life with the drinking, WWI and epilepsy. It was just hard to watch in some respects.

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However the movie seemed to completely miss the subject of epilepsy and his drinking. Putting the ever sunny Reagan and Doris in the movie it seemed like these were setbacks in their lives and it ends happily with the 1927 strikeout. In all reality Grover Alexander was one heck of pitcher but seemed to live a tortured life with the drinking, WWI and epilepsy. It was just hard to watch in some respects. - collin-reid

The Winning Team definitely soft-peddles the Pete Alexander story. It's a gauzy, feel-good tale that doesn't do much harm but also has no bite.
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The movie depicts Alexander getting the last out with a strikeout. The last out was Babe Ruth thrown out trying to steal second base.

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And while certain liberties were taken with the facts presented, Alexander was a truly great player and today still holds the record for career wins by a National League pitcher and the mark for most shutouts in one season by a major leaguer. - mdudnikov

I would note that Alexander is tied with Christy Mathewson for the most career wins by a National League pitcher; both have 373. (There is sometimes dispute whether Alexander won 374, but Baseball-Reference.com has them both at 373.)

And Alexander is tied with George Bradley for the most shutouts in a single season, 16. However, Bradley was a 19th-century pitcher who accomplished this in 1876, and Alexander played the modern game (albeit the dead-ball era in 1916) generally agreed to have begun in 1901.

What is remarkable about Alexander's 16 shutouts in 1916 is that nine of those were pitched at home. In 1916, his Philadelphia Phillies played in the Baker Bowl, which was a definite hitters' park.

His excellence allows him to be one of a handfull of pitchers who can legitimately lay claim to the title of the greatest pitcher to ever play.

Despite pitching about half his career during the dead-ball era, and all of his career in the pre-integration era, Alexander is still one of the greatest pitchers of all time, whether by traditional stats (373 wins, 2.56 ERA) or advanced ones (120.0 WAR, 135 ERA+).

The greatest pitcher is always a fun debate, and I'd have to go with Walter Johnson or even Cy Young there, but I would give Pete the slight edge over Mathewson, and I'm a lifelong Giants fan who is definitely a homer when it comes to "Matty."

Hornsby too, though as a hitter, was also one of the greatest players ever, and like Pete can also legitimately lay claim to that mantle of greatest ever, though as a batter.

Ah, well, the "Rajah" is one of my favorite players, even though he was one of the most disliked players of all time, something he shares with Ty Cobb. Not coincidentally, perhaps, Hornsby ranks behind only Cobb in lifetime batting average, although, like Alexander, he (and Cobb) played in the pre-integration era and about half of that dead-ball. Still, Hornsby won two Triple Crowns (leading the league in average, home runs, and runs batted in), something only Ted Williams has ever done also, and Hornsby is the only batter ever to hit .400 or better while hitting 40 or more homers in the same season (in 1922 he batted .401 with 42 homers).

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