Lesbian Subtext?


I thought I picked on some underlying lesbian attraction. At the beginning of the film Barbara Stanwyck's character "Mae" makes at least two comments, in quick succession, about how attractive "Peggy" (Marilyn Monroe) is. The first time was outside the house and Peggy seems to let the comment go right over her head, but the second time was inside when Peggy goes to the kitchen and gives Mae a lingering look. Anyone else pick up on that or have I been watching to much girl-on-girl porn?

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<<They aren't an attractive couple>>
youve got to be a gal.

Well, isn't it comforting to know that being miserable is still better than being an idiot?

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Definitely. That's the answer to your LAST question. ;))

Seriously, though: I think there may be two reasons why MM gives Babs "the look".

One, Mae is introduced as a sort of a counterpart and dangerous "role model" for a girl like Peg - which is why Peg looks at her "admiringly". (Notice that, in the end, Peg succumbs to her, ehm, anti-feminist husband's charms - and Mae's role of "warning example" is reinforced.)

Second, MM was rehearsing "the" look that later made her famous (usually called "luminous" etc.). There is no doubt in my mind that she WAS trying out her future screen persona - notice, for example, that her voice is not yet the whisper that it was to become later. (And, if you ask me, its much more pleasant here - but that's a different story.)

In fact, this second reason may have been the main, or even the only one, for Peg's eyeing of Mae. Anyway, I don't think there are any hints of lesbianism here.

But I hope you enjoy it all the same. ;)



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z don't think it was suggested lesbianism, pal. It was some kind of a woman to woman interchange, but not a sexual one.


I killed him for money and for a woman. I didn't get the money... and I didn't get the woman.

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I didnt pick up any les vibes.

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I THINK YOUR QUESTION WAS ANSWERED QUITE ADEQUATELY BUT THE LARGER ISSUE SHOULD BE YOUR GUTTER LIFE. YOU MIGHT THINK YOUR WORLD OR EVEN COUNTRY WANTS TO HEAR THIS KIND OF COMMENT IN A PUBLIC PLACE BUT YOU'RE DEAD WRONG. KEEP YOUR DIRTY HABITS TO YOURSELF NEXT TIME, PLEASE. TO THOSE IN DISAGREEMENT, GET A LIFE...I'M NO PRUDE BUT PEOPLE LET'S TRY TO SHAPE UP OUR MORALS HERE, WE'VE ALMOST HIT ROCK BOTTOM IN THAT DEPARTMENT.

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But ya ARE, Blanche, ya ARE a prude. :)

Also, a homophobe and a bossy little thing, from all appearances.

It was an honest question, and the OP had just as much right to post it as you had to reply in your charming fashion.

If it was up to me, there would be more posters like OP and fewer posters like you, but I do recognize that you have the right to post.

Too bad you don't get that other people do, as well.

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Check this idiot's posting history. Shut up msilva7-1.

It matters more what's in a woman's face than what's on it. -Claudette Colbert

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<<..I'M NO PRUDE>>
ROLF!!!!!



Well, isn't it comforting to know that being miserable is still better than being an idiot?

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seems to me that stanwyk's character was all WOMAN, who was into men. no leslies here. Monroe's lingering look was more of hint of gladness that there would be naother woman around to bond with.

is all. they were both talking about men and how men were involved in their lives, and how they affected their lives.

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... sure to much girl-on-girl porn!

are you serious?
Mae just see herlself in Peg... a 20year olg pretty girl with dreams, trapted in the small town,traped by men. feel compassion for her.feel almost pity for her...the way she says the second time that she is beautiful, is like saying "too bad...waste you youth and your beauty here"
that's all.

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There is absolutely no hint of lesbian attraction here and yes, you have been watching too much porn. Interesting comment from someone about Monroe's voice. It was earthier to suit a girl working in a fish-cannery; and yes it sounded more natural than the whispery little girl's voice, that would later become one of her many famous hallmarks.

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"I thought I picked on some underlying lesbian attraction. At the beginning of the film Barbara Stanwyck's character "Mae" makes at least two comments, in quick succession, about how attractive "Peggy" (Marilyn Monroe) is. The first time was outside the house and Peggy seems to let the comment go right over her head, but the second time was inside when Peggy goes to the kitchen and gives Mae a lingering look. Anyone else pick up on that or have I been watching to much girl-on-girl porn?"

Yikes, what an idiotic comment. And thanks to (almost) everybody else rebutting it.

Don't want to be picky, but I hate it when quite obvious non-sexual behavior is construed as sexual/homosexual, partly because this type of thinking tends to lead to a sexualization of all human interaction which I think is unhealthy. Seeing homosexuality everywhere also gives a lot of paranoid homophobes a justification for bashing homosexuals.

Having said that, not everybody in this world has to be gay/lesbian (see the ridiculous book "The Celluloid Closet"), even if some activists and fratboys who watch too much girl-on-girl porn would like it that way.

Just as not everybody has to be straight.

But if Goldfinger7967 is looking for a daring gay subtext, why not check out Winnie-the-Pooh. Pooh asks Piglet in "A Blustery Day" to live with him after Piglet gives his house to Owl. Really, it can't get any more obvious than that.


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"I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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DON'T WANNA HEAR THE GIRL ON GIRL PORN BIT DUDE THAT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS. YOUR SINKING MORALS WILL NEVER BE THE NORM EVEN IN THIS COUNTRY SO KEEP IT TO YOURSELF NEXT TIME. LESBIAN SUBTEXT WAS ENOUGH WITHOUT THE OTHER DETAILS. AND EVEN THEN YOU'RE READING TOO MUCH INTO THIS OUTSTANDING CLASSIC FILM.

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Ignore fruitloops like "Dabadoo" who want to see homosexual subtext
in everything. If you don't agree, then you're a homophobe. Idiot.

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Why don't you use caps. It makes moronic posts so much more intelligent.

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WAY too much girl-on-girl porn, dude. If you want homoerotic subtext I recommend either Alfred Hitchcock's "Rebecca" or (in the male/male category) the hilarious "Point Break."

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Every Hitchcock has a homoerotic subtext. Rebecca is not nearly as strong as Strangers on a Train.

black and white movies were better

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That wasn't subtext; Bruno was gay. Probably the reason his father couldn't love him.

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Frankly, this film would have been a lot better with lesbian subtext or some real motivation on the part of Barbara Stanwyck's character. This film feels way too surface and a bit superficial.

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I always welcome a lez vib in movies and am usually on the look-out for it. However, I have to say that the thought that there was any such indication in this movie never even occurred to me! What dis occur to me, though, was that Barbara thought of May as a sort of little-sister or child. I got the immediate impression that Stanwyck's character felt maternal towards Monroe's. And, that impression was validated to me in one particular scene that really stood out, in which Monroe's character is talking to Stanwyck's, and Stanwyck's character starts getting philosophical, ending her words-of-wisdom with the phrase "Mama's advice."

Now, I will admit that sometimes, even the mama/papa figures in films can be both parental and romantic in nature, sort of like in the 1956 film, TEA AND SYMPATHY. But, in the case of this film, I just don't think that was what was going on.

Please excuse typos/funny wording; I use speech-recognition that doesn't always recognize!

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I think Monroe's character saw Stanwyck's as a sophisticated woman and admired her for having gotten out of that little town. Stanwyck saw Monroe as a pretty girl whose youth and beauty, like Stanwyck's, were fleeting. I didn't see any lesbian attraction between them at all. Not that there's anything wrong with that.






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