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How Did Gloria Cop an Oscar in 1952?


After many years, I just saw "The Bad and the Beautiful Here." Kirk Douglas and the late Lana Turner were great here. How in heaven's name did Gloria Grahame ever win the coveted supporting Oscar here for her southern belle portrayal of Rosemary?
The award should have easily gone to Thelma Ritter for "With A Song in My Heart," or certainly Colette Marchand in "Moulin Rouge." Jean Hagen, another nominee for "Singin' the Rain" was better as well. The other nominee was Terry Moore for "Come Back, Little Sheba."
Miss Grahame, who is now deceased, but still be laughing up in heaven for winning this award. It was really totally undeserved. Besides being on the screen briefly, there was nothing to Rosemary as well.
What a joke these Oscars are.

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1. Grahame was a pretty, young actress at the time. Pretty young actresses do very well in the supporting catagory.

2. She was a popular character actress and already well respected in the industry. This Oscar may have been a delayed award for her work in 1950's IN A LONELY PLACE.

3. She was married to director Nicholas Ray at the time, making her a part of the Hollywood social scene. She had a lot of friends (and possibly lovers) in the business.

4. She was in four other successful films that year, including the winner of the best picture award, THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH.

5. She played a flashy role in an important film.

6. Her character dies.

7. MGM campaigned for her.

Most likely, it is a combination of the above, especially 2 and 3. And she really isn't too bad in the film; it's just a rather minor role.

But that is only guessing.

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She should have won for "The Greatest Show on Earth" if anything, Jean Hagen was robbed.

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Robert Osborne discussed this on TCM tonight -- if anything, it was a "year's achievement" award.

I agree about Jean Hagen, but my real gripe is that Katy Jurado, of High Noon, wasn't even nominated (oversight -- every cast member was asked to be considered a lead).

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Yeah agreed. Sometimes if your good in several films in one year that can work in your advantage. Katy Jurado and Jean Hagen were the class of the supporting actresses that year. How Jurado wasn't even nominated I will never know

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Miss Jurado was nominated for best supporting actress in "Broken Lance." The year was 1954.

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by ungerreese (Sat Mar 22 2008 19:17:40)

She should have won for "The Greatest Show on Earth" if anything, Jean Hagen was robbed.

I'm with you on this one. I really liked Gloria Grahame in "In a Lonely Place" but Jean Hagen in "Singin in the Rain" is one of the greatest comic performances ever.
Watching this movie I kept thinking when is Gloria Grahame going to show up? And when she finally does I was thinking ... huh? Is that an Oscar winning performance?

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Definitely Jean Hagen but how about Collette Marchand in "Moulin Rouge," or my personal favorite of Thelma Ritter's "With A Song in My Heart?"

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I see your reasons for WHY Gloria Grahame WON the Oscar, but WHY was she even nominated for THAT role? Why not for a different film? She only has a few minutes in the film, and she really doesn't have much to do with them. I mean nothing against Miss Grahame when I say this, and nothing against her performance (she does a fine job), it's just she really never gets to actually DO anything. Unlike Judi Dench or Beatrice Straight (both who have only a few minutes in their respective films)-- she doesn't get a real Oscar scene that would justify a nomination, let alone an Oscar win. I think Grahame was nominated for the wrong film. If any actress should have been nominated for this movie, it should have been Lana Turner. I've watched several of her movies, and I was never really impressed with anything she did-- untill I saw "The Bad and the Beautiful" and she blew my breath away. I always knew she was beautiful, but I never knew she could really ACT! I think she should have been nominated in Grahame's place; I definately would have voted Turner the best supporting actress of 1952.

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^That all makes sense.

Just watched it today for the first time. What a waste of on Oscar. The Academy sure have made some blunders with the supporting actress award but Grahame's win isn't far behind Jennifer Hudson's as one of their worse decisions in any category. The performance was overdone a little and she hardly did anything. Not impressed in the slightest. If I hadn't known what Grahame and Turner looked like, I'd have assumed whilst watching it that Turner was the one who won an Oscar.

Edit: I meant to reply to majikstl but can't seem to.

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When the competency is too strong, contenders usually steal votes from each other, thus leaving the road open for a dark-horse. The best example is 1965 Best Actor Award: Laurence Olivier for Othello, Oskar Werner for Ship of Fools, Richard Burton for The Spy who Came in From the Cold (his best performance ever) and Rod Steiger for "The Pawnbroker". Who won? Lee Marvin for Cat Balou (and became a star!).

Thelma Ritter deserved not one but may Oscars. She never won. She's the best supporting actress ever. (I think they say "actor" now --pronounced "ac-ter").

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When the competency is too strong, contenders usually steal votes from each other, thus leaving the road open for a dark-horse. The best example is 1965 Best Actor Award: Laurence Olivier for Othello, Oskar Werner for Ship of Fools, Richard Burton for The Spy who Came in From the Cold (his best performance ever) and Rod Steiger for "The Pawnbroker". Who won? Lee Marvin for Cat Balou (and became a star!).


Having seen all of these performances I have always thought that the best man won. It seems that most people, including Academy members usually have trouble realizing that a fine comedic performance can outshine dramatic ones, as it did in this year. I have also noticed that comic actors can play drama very well, but the inverse is often not true.

Oh Lord, you gave them eyes but they cannot see...

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Ritter was great, but I have to say, I think Eve Arden was a great supporting player too

"A daffy woman constantly strives to become a star..."

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Titanic and Silence of the Lambs won 16 Oscars between them - that surely is a great big joke and to seek to deny the greatly under-rated Gloria Grahame her Oscar is churlish to say the least.

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Every one of the few minutes Grahame was on screen was utterly grating - thank god she got killed in that crash. Ten more minutes of that annoying squeaking and overbearing act would have started to really drag things down; she was the single worst aspect of the entire film. I guess that´s the kinda silliness the Academy digs.

Douglas on the other hand gives what I think is one of his best performances and even Turner was quite fine - as was rest of the acting.



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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franzkabuki ~ Every one of the few minutes Grahame was on screen was utterly grating - thank god she got killed in that crash.

Wow. Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.

I thought that most of the character portrayals in this were caricatures, most all of which were a bit over-amplified to make their respective points. Hers was amplified on "11". More than a little overdone, I still found her to be most charming. Her jejune and girlish silliness was the thing he loved about her and the thing that held him back from getting past "I started to work". It was kind of sweet that such a serious intellectual as the James Lee character would be so in love with his wife who was given to such girlish behavior. I thought it worked tremendously well. She was indeed naive and thoroughly enthralled by all the Hollywood phoniness and perks. If it weren't for her, he never would have gone there.

The characterization was a bit much, but in the clinch with Powell there was more than just a little something there. You can't manufacture that. She had something. They had something going on together and Shields took that away from him. I liked their part of the story arc.

I've always found Gloria Grahame to be a very interesting actress and not often used so well or to her best potential. I, just this week, saw her in Human Desire and thought she was fantastic. That is the best performance of hers that I can remember.

Douglas is perhaps the most egregious embodiment of a scenery chewing over-actor to have ever plied his trade. Always with great intensity and never boring he still manages to ruin a great many films with his brand of ham. In this film it more or less fits the part and he is a bit restrained (at least in comparison with much of his other work) but in the majority of his work it is comically absurd how badly he over-plays his parts.

I liked Lana Turner's performance in this. The scene where she was driving away from Sheilds' home, in hysterics, was kind of surreal but she really dished out a powerful performance in that scene.

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Which films do you think Kirk Douglas ruined? He may have been something of a ham and relied more than a little on his movie star charisma, but hardly among the worst over-actors - and he was also pretty much always entertaining (the only film I recall where I found him somewhat annoying was the overly cheery turn in Lonely Are The Brave - but then again the whole film had a rather goofily & inappropriately upbeat tone). And it´s definitely unfair to say he didn´t have talent - he did well in a variety of different roles ranging from sinister in Out Of The Past, righteous in Paths Of Glory, classically heroic in Spartacus, very funny in The Fury etc. And here in TBATB there was certainly nuance and ambiguity to his character; not an easy man to figure out... so yeah imo this does belong among his best performances.

I recently saw Grahame in In A Lonely Place where she was pretty good - but I never said anything about her acting abilities in the first place as she obviously played the part the way she was asked to. Nevertheless, here she´s completely over the top without an ounce of any charm or charisma as far as I´m concerned; she played that woman as if she were mentally handicapped. Now why would an acclaimed writer marry an airhead like that, especially as she´s not even particularly good looking?



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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Grahame's portrayal of a Southern woman is a cartoon. I had no idea that she won the Oscar for this. Jean Hagen blew her away.

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She was also in Best Picture winner The Greatest Show on Earth.

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Jean Hagen was robbed.

"In my case, self-absorption is completely justified."

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