I know it was the 50's, so let's give them a break, but, nowadays it really shocks to watch this movie and see no black people at all among the Camp team... From today's point of view this would be the ultimate racist movie... But I know things were different back then... Still shocks me though...
" If only I had one more chance to change my life today,then I would never let you go. "
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Indeed, 100% White-Christian movie... If they ever do a remake of this, they will need to change a lot of things !
Regarding other aspect of this movie, I didn't like how Stanton was betrayed at the end. He was mean, but he was playing a "clean" game, stating his intentions since the beginning. And, if it were not for his money, the whole rocket project would be dead, as well as the human race...
" If only I had one more chance to change my life today,then I would never let you go. "
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...There is a reference, during the briefing at the camp, to ships being built in other countries so maybe The Ark is the WASP special. It was during the fifties and people could get away with stuff like that; separate, but equal in space...Seriously the movie was made in 1951 and Hollywood, for the most part, acted like blacks and other minorities didn't exist.
People are just getting dumber, but more opinionated-Ernestine (Silks) in "The Human Stain"
yeah but weirdly enough the chairman at the UN meeting was an Indian speaking very good hindi! lol...
so they are racists towards blacks but not to other countries...
btw i am indian...
Why...So..Serious? Let's put a smile on that face of yours!
it's a classic...it shouldn't be remade.
If they do remake it, then don't change it for some petty ignorant politically correct crap.
When Worlds Collide needs to stay the classic that it is.
Hopefully they will release it on Bluray.
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Stanton was a murderer. A new civilization can well leave that behind, whenever possible.
shareI entirely agree with you, it was dishonorable of the head scientist to stop Stanton from going on the flight when he had accepted his terms. A shame that the new world of the colonists had to start with a betrayal.
shareRight! I watched this recently and felt the same way about Stanton. No honor in leaving him behind. And it's no accident that this film begins in lily-white South Africa. I think the racial issue was just too complex for Pal & company to deal with; remember how they changed the ending of "The Mole People" so that John Agar wouldn't have a Sumerian girlfriend (even though she looked like a typical Universal/Hollywood blonde movie babe).
shareWell it is true there was no blacks at the camp. But be honest where was one in the entire movie? Maybe they all got scared and hid in the closet when they heard the sky was falling! LOL!
shareReflects the bigotry of the time the movie was made/set. Do you think in 1950s America if there was a space ark with a few hundred seats on it that any minoroties would be on it? In 1951 everything was segregated. Do you think people too prejudice to share the same restaurant with other races would share their space ark? Some in that era might even welcome the ability to create a society where they chose the only survivors like that.The movie was made in an unenlightened time and is probably realistic if this actually were to happen then. But with only a few 100 on the ship diversity wouldn't last long anyway, in a few generations inbreeding would likely wipe out all the survivors anyway.
sharezeta1983-1; Look at it from a practical situation when starting up on a new planet do you want all those earth bound hang-ups. Maybe 10% of the new world colonists would still be whining about reparations! You are right though they would need more then a few hundred to provide a sufficient gene pool, that does not mean it has to be multi-cultural or racial. You just need more numbers, say a few thousand.
As for "Reflects the bigotry of the time" nobody was preventing anybody from making their own version in any other nation. Maybe Spike Lee today could make one where after landing everybody killed each other off. No doubt blaming their 'old masters' for all their problems.
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Dos Mom And Dad know you're playing on the computer again? You're gonna get grounded again..
was anyone involved in the major aspects of this production Jewish? hopefully not, but if so, that makes this movie's WASPishness doubly disgusting. Except, again, in spite of Jewish presence in Hollywood through the years, it's puzzling how that turns out. Why?
shareBecause they want to make money, and there are a thousand times more Goyim (it's yiddish, look it up) than Juden to spend $$$ at the movie box office.
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Reflects the bigotry of the time the movie was made/set.
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It was about saving Humanity from extinction with a promising sample of human beings ...
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Pardon me if I ignore your word snipping and twisting. I'll just make my arguments again in whole. And maybe more concisely.
You think the movie is racist because you believe blacks were excluded from salvation.
I am trying to explain that rocket science was not salvation. Moreover, it still isn't.
It's that simple.
In the fifties people didn't believe rocket science was salvation. Thus you have the movie, When Worlds Collide 1951, which feels free to exclude whomever because most sensible people of the time would likely prefer to be excluded.
These days many people have an unqualified faith in science. It is the only salvation they recognize. Thus you have the movie 2012. It was clearly written to correct the perceived error of WWC by including blacks in the salvation of science. Notice Africa becomes the highest point on Earth after the shifting.
But WWC is not in error, 2012 is. It has too much faith in science.
The health care reform that recently passed did so because proponents have too much faith in science. Several states, especially Virgina, will try to reverse that. You'll see then.
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Pardon me? Where >I< say that this movie is racist? I didn't say that at all.
What makes you think that >I< have some naive approval of health care reform?
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That didn't spell out a racist issue. It could imply a racially-connected issue. ...
I haven't been busy calling this movie racist. In fact, I made light of it some months ago on this thread.
Yes, yes, you took some philosophy classes in college.
You have too much faith in debate.
You can debate all day long which car, A or B, must logically be more comfortable on the open road; but in the end a test drive will tell you what you really need to know.
Then why are you lecturing me on it? Why bring it up?
you left out the part in the middle of the argument where you flesh out that connection.
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Okay, so no blacks in the movie but you didn't mention no Asians, no Hispanics, no Polynesians. Where's your sense of justice?
No Asians? You can't have modern civilization without an authentic Cantonese Chinese restaurant in the neighborhood. These WASP colonists are going to have one tough time without good Chinese cuisine to enjoy on a Saturday night.
.....I don't think there were to many blacks, or any other minorities, in nineteen fifties. I remember there were a few in the crowd that watched the saucer land in the Washington DC park in "The Day the Earth Stood Still". There were a couple black servants at the Georgia plantation/ Ryberg Electronics/ alien research center in "Island Earth" (1955). Whoopi Goldberg once said "War of the Worlds" (1953) was her favorite movie because one of her relatives was an extra in the battle scene at the land sight which would make sense because the Army had been integrated for six years in real life. Still I don't remember seeing any black faces. Maybe he was the first soldier to get vaporized. There was a Japanese astronaut on the flight to Mars in "The Conquest of Space". There were some black characters in a few zombie movies from the thirties and forties, but I don't know if those would count or should......Blacks and other minorities were just as invisible on early TV science fiction series although there was some rampant anti Martian discrimination in old "Rocky Jones" episode I saw once; an attempt at allegory no doubt. It wasn't until the first (and best) version of the "Outer Limits" (1963) and of course "Star Trek" (1966) that minorities appeared at all in TV science fiction.
Joe the plumber is right.
That's the problem with mainstream invisibility -- it leads others (like you) to believe that the invisibility was benign after all; instead of a force to be fought against and found ways around.
Cabin in the Sky existed because black people weren't invisible -- they just weren't given a chance.
"It wasn't until the first (and best) version of the "Outer Limits" (1963) and of course "Star Trek" (1966) that minorities appeared at all in TV science fiction."
The Twilight Zone had some minority actors, and that was before either The Outer Limits or Star Trek.
I agree with the OP, it's unfortunate that no minorities were saved, but it's hardly surprising, considering the time period in which the film was made.
"He's already attracted to her. Time and monotony will do the rest."
Hey, no Asians? who the hell built the damn rocket? :-)
shareYes indeed, good point, i didn't realise it when i watching it today on dvd.
Absolutly shocking !
Just as shocking there hasn't been a black American President.(maybe Obama, fingers crossed)
Or the fact Halle Berry is one of only 7 African-American actresses to be nominated for the Best Actress Oscar.....and now i'm not talking about the fifties but today !
Shocking, absolutly shocking ......
"Just as shocking there hasn't been a black American President.(maybe Obama, fingers crossed)"
3 1/2 years later:
Well, you got your first black president and let's hope you get your first Mormon prez next to reverse his monumental bungling. (That's assuming, of course, that the One's unprecedented destruction of the economy hasn't been intentional.)
oh, no latino characters, too, and there was no homosexual love story, either...
I think they should withdraw this movie forever...
I feel so shocked and offended...
I had a fit and phoned my psychotherapist at 3AM...I needed someone to manage my anger...
He was very unsupportive and told me I got a chipped shoulder the size of Chicago...and that my basic insurance plan doesn't cover night calls.
I will switch to a 'diversity-friendly' therapist and by the way watching this movie really put me 3 years behind in my therapy schedule...
My mom told me to watch a re-run of Willy Prince of Bel Air, the Jeffersons or Sanford&Son instead, but I didn't listen...
Emotionally scarred for life.
..........No midgets either. Now how could they ever look a small minority like that? lol
True genius is a beautiful thing, but ignorance is ugly to the bone.
except just how diverse was that population of 40? they had zero minorities on board.
Would a breeding program be put into place on the new planet, or would be people be allowed to screw whomever they wanted to screw?
Was a there a diversity of immune systems?
40 is not enough.
BORING.
shareYeah,things were different back in the 50's and 60's. To label this racist considering the time frame is pretty lame though. It was the way things were. I can still remember seeing signs at motels and hotels in Florida that said No Dogs.No Jews. back in the 60's. Just be glad America has grown up some since then.
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