Aren't we taking this just a little too seriously? Ya think?
But, hey, I'm bored so I'll play along.
It's just an objective observation.
Joyce was engaged to Tony; that's an objective observation. Joyce broke up with Tony; that's an objective observation. She broke up with him after meeting Dave Randall; ditto. She broke up with Tony because she fell for Dave; well, that's an inference
, not an objective observation, but it's still reasonable.
Therefore, she's a bitch... Nothing objective about that statement at all. It's completely subjective, and again, it's an inference, not an 'observation'.
Sorry, I just don't follow your logic. People, even engaged people, fall in love with someone else all the time. It sucks if you're the jilted one, but you seem to be saying Joyce should have married Tony simply not to be a 'bitch', not because she actually felt she was in love with him. That's a pretty piss-poor reason to marry someone. If I ever found out that my wife actually wanted to marry someone else, but chose me just because she thought she had an obligation to marry me (no children, no joint ownership of a home, nothing like that; just because she once said she would), I, personally, would be pretty disappointed. I'd feel pretty useless, to tell the truth.
Marry the person you love with all your heart. Not the person everyone else thinks you should.
Joyce seems to me to have handled a difficult emotional situation about as well as can be expected. Tony doesn't seem to have held it against her. In fact, he's the one who got Dave to go on the journey, just for her sake! Or did you forget about that point?
Whoah... indeed we are taking this, like way too seriously. And somehow you've misunderstood, and consequently distorted most of what I said.
Look, she could've just said something as simple (though crass) as "he's in, you're out", and we're not having this conversation. But instead she said, "you figure it out, pal". Now that's a bitch for you.
but you seem to be saying Joyce should have married Tony simply not to be a 'bitch'
That's ridiculous. No I'm not.
Joyce seems to me to have handled a difficult emotional situation about as well as can be expected.
Yeah, by not doing anything. LOL
Tony doesn't seem to have held it against her.
Which illustrates my original point. He was a nice guy who didn't deserve to be treated that way.
Let me make it easy for you: if the roles were reversed, and some hot young blonde showed up, and Tony dropped Barbara Rush like a hot potato, how do you think everyone would react, particularly the women in the audience. They'd think he was a serious ass and would hate his guts for it! Not because he refused to marry someone he didn't love, but that he didn't even try to BREAK IT TO HER IN A KIND AND SENSITIVE WAY!
Read my posts again. That was the point I was trying to make, and somehow you totally missed it. If you're engaged to marry someone, respect them and respect yourself. Tell them to their face. "It's over. I've found someone else." There's nothing wrong with that.
I graduated from the college of the streets, I gotta Phd in how to make ends meet.
I agree. She was a bitch. A shallow, spoiled, uncaring bitch. The Doctor was much nicer, better looking, and smarter. The doc is better off without her.