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Two questions about the Italian boy (MAJOR SPOILER)


One of the most shocking things about this movie is the sudden, violent death of little Tony Moroni. It's particularly shocking because depicting the death of
a child is generally a big no-no in older films, especially Hollywood films.
Two other rare examples occur in British films--Hitchcock's Sabotage, in which a boy is killed by a bomb (Hitchcock blamed that plot
twist for the film's mediocre showing at the box office); and A
Night to Remember
, in which one of the Titanic's officers on a lifeboat is handed a dead child and
places its body back into the sea (the scene was excised from TV broadcasts for
many years and was only recently restored to TV showings). Two questions:

Was this plot twist the reason why this film seems to be somewhat forgotten
and is rarely shown and only recently turned up in DVD format?

What other films of the classic era dared to show the sudden deaths of young
children, at the risk of repulsing audiences and damaging box office returns?






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I don't think it was such a no-no. I am thinking now of a scene from 1939's "Dodge City." Olivia de Haviland is about to take a wagon full of children on a Sunday School outing when a group of wild cattlemen decide to shoot it up. The horses are frightened and a boy, one of the Sunday School children tries to help Olivia control them. The horses end up breaking away and dragging the boy to death down the main street of Dodge City, right past his own mother. It was this incident that made Errol Flynn decide to fight the lawlessness and corruption of Dodge.

But, you are right in that Tony Moroni's death is shocking -- and made more so by who actually shot him.

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WHO actually shot him?! They really don't explain it; was it his mother?

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Yes, it was his mother who shot him after he reloaded the gun for her.




I'm not crying, you fool, I'm laughing!

Hewwo.

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Some examples:
Frankenstein (1931) Little Maria - Marilyn Harris born August 19, 1924.
End of the Trail (1932) Jimmy "Sonny" Travers - Wally Albright born Sept 3, 1925.
The Charge of the Light Brigade (1936) Prema Singh - Scotty Beckett born October 4, 1929.
Tower of London (1939) Boy King Edward - Ronald Sinclair born January 21, 1924.
Tower of London (1939) Young Prince Richard - John Herbert-Bond born March 31, 1929.
Tower of London (1939) a page - Charles Peck born April 3, 1922 or Schuyler Standish born March 3, 1927 - might also be killed.
Dodge City (1939) Harry Cole - Bobs Watson born November 6, 1930.
Rocky Mountain (1950) Jim "Buck" Wheat age 16 - Dickie Jones born February 25, 1927.
Westward the Women (1951) Tony Moroni - Guido Martufi
The Oregon Trail (1959) Johnny - John Slosser

And others I can't think of at the moment.

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