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The criticism is undeserved


I just bought the DVD and I have to say I'm loving to watch Bogie cynical portrayal. It corresponds exactly to a character like him as it is the case with Nicholas Cage as a War Lord. I don't think the sets look like a fake scenario and I have been in Egypt which looks pretty much like Morocco in some places. I loved the underground passages at night. Lee J. Cobb is excellent as well and the feline eyes girl is prettier than Ingrid Bergman ever was in Casablanca . Her performance is better than... let's say the main woman in Falcon Maltese (Mary Astor) who looked so faked. In this case is a bored woman who likes living in a style and wants to get rid of Lee J. Cobb. It's an underrated film. It deserves to be in your personal collection. The quality of the film is excellent considering how old it is.


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I have always loving to this muvie, but it's not quite as good as Battle of Algiers.

What is the sound an imploding pimp makes?

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Didnt think it was that bad after watching it considering its "IMDB Rating".
Thought it should have been higher in the 6's and into the 7's possibly too.

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I was quite shocked that on tonight's TCM SIROCCO showing-part of their " Arabs in Movies" tribute-that critic Dr. Jack Shaheen slammed the pic for it's portrayal of the "post war " Middle East.(AND REFERENCE TO THE 1940's FILMS THAT WERE SHOWN PREVIOUSLY?) Uh Jack, didn't you see the film or do your homework? IT TAKES PLACE IN 1925 AS STATED IN THE BEGINNING AND WOULDN'T ANY REPUTABLE, EDUCATED PERSON KNOW THE MENTION OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS DATES IT AS PRE-WW2 NOT 1951?

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I think you may have perhaps confused what he said...there was mention of the MOVIES of the 40s but not that the movie actually took place in the 40s. Do you think that this is possible?

Cheers,

Enrique Sanchez

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I'll give Robt.Osborne the benefit of the doubt as he rarely makes mistakes and then only when a resarcher flubs.Noticed that the tone was completely different after the showing that it was situated in 1925.I don't have a problem with opinions, criticism just that the history/facts are right.

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Yeah, I noticed that too that they mentioned the setting as being earlier. I think there was something about it wanting to be in the same mood as Casablanca or the 40s...well...anyway. Thanks for responding! :)

Enrique Sanchez

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Dr Shaheen did slam the pic. But it's because he appears to be a moron.

1. He says Damascus is misrepresented in the film because it looks like a "5th world" country when in fact he claims it was a lovely place. He says he knows this because he was there in the 60's. He really thinks a city looks the same 40 years AFTER their revolution for independence? I would think it would look pretty bad during a war for independence and much better 40 years later, but I'm not a doctor of whatever.

2. He mentions that Bosley Crowther of the New York Times was upset at the way Damascus appears in an attempt to echo his own sentiments. However, Crowther's quote doesn't imply it doesn't look like Damascus because it isn't a beautiful place. It simply wasn't "arabian" enough to him. The quote is, "...no more suggestive of Damascus than a Shriners' convention in New Orleans, on which occasion you would see more fezzes than ever show up in this film."

3. In his opinion, you should have empathy for the Syrians fighting for independence, but the film skews it so that you side with the French. The beginning shows two French soldiers not caring about the plight of the poor Syrians, pushing and berating a man who just wants to sell his fruit before it spoils. Then the Gen wants to kill (in his words) "hostages" and "civilians". If anything, the beginning of the film shows the French in a horrible light.

4. He plays on the notion that the Syrians are portrayed as greedy, manipulative, and money-grubbing. Well, not all. Bogey's partner in crime isn't, nor is the waiter. Mostel's character merely saves his own skin and then even tries to warn Bogey. But yes, a large percentage are. Yet the one American in the film is portrayed the same way as many of the Syrians, so that's 100% of the Americans. American bias as well then? Of course not.

5. He says the Syrians in the film kill people at random. They actually seemed to target the military (see #6 below), while the French (in the Gen's own words) want to kill "hostages" and "civilians".

6. He says, "You never see the French killing any Arabs." Actually, you never SEE anyone getting killed. I believe all killings are off-screen. But off-screen, the Syrians kill a group of French military, then the Gen is talked out of killing 6 sympathizers (referred to as "hostages" and "civilians"). When Bogie is getting a shave, the French are attacking and shooting up the city. A grenade then blows up the cafe (targeting French soldiers again). The violence seems spread around to me except the Syrians seem to choose military targets while the French don't discriminate. A skewed stat. While you don't see dead Arab bodies, you see what the French want to do, and you hear them shooting into crowds and people scattering. They certainly seemed more villainous to me, but I'm not a doctor.

7. There's not much in the movie to make you remember it's 1925. Well, aside from it saying 1925 in the beginning, the fact that France is occupying Syria (this at the very least places it before WWII), the hand-cranked car, the gas lamps (although there were many bulbs as well), etc.. Now while it's certainly possible that Damascus was just behind the times, his gripe is that they weren't wearing period clothes throughout the movie? Just wow. Personally, I don't look at the clothes, the hairstyles, etc... to know when a movie takes place. I just look at the date flashed on the screen and simply remember it. Perhaps the good doctor's memory fails?

The movie clearly shows in the beginning that both sides believe they are right and both sides believe to have God on their side. To me, the movie VERY clearly shows that both sides are terrible, there are no winners in war, and the only redeeming characters are the Col and the Maj since they are advocates of peace.

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Very well stated. Perhaps the Dr. should see the film again and take notes to remember these points.

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Perhaps that pal should shut the #%&*@ up!

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