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Ground-breaking depiction of race in America


I loved the scenes between the young man and his mentor, but not only were they super-emotional and honest, but they are some of the earliest scenes I know of showing love between a person of black skin and a person of white skin. Sure, the character of Art Hazzard was almost over-done with saintly touches, but I don't think the movie showed him as being perfect because of his skin color. First off, the early scenes made me very curious about him, why didn't he have a spouse or kids? He seemed regretful about that, like he had been at fault, made some mistakes, maybe hurt some people. The later scenes showed that some people looked down on him because his band wasn't ambitious enough, and because he wasn't taking care of himself. All in all, I appreciated the character's strength and dignity, his weaknesses, and his ability to grow from them and wish a better future for his young devotee. The character and the actor who played him, Juano Hernandez, stand as a pioneering force in this movie and in the history of movies.

Any others ground-breaking depictions of this caliber come to mind?







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One I can suggest is:
Intruder in the Dust (1949)
starring Claude Jarman Jr. and Juano Hernandez
From IMDb: In 1940s Mississippi, two teenage boys and an elderly woman combine forces to prevent a miscarriage of justice and clear a black man of a murder charge.

Hernandez is a standout in this film, too.

I'm sure there are many others, including another Hernandez film:
Sergeant Rutledge (1960)
starring Woody Strode
From IMDb: Respected black cavalry Sergeant Brax Rutledge stands court-martial for raping and killing a white woman and murdering her father, his superior officer.

Strode has a great role in "Spartacus" as the gladiator who offers some guidance to Kirk Douglas' title character:
Spartacus: What's your name?
Draba: You don't want to know my name. I don't want to know your name.
Spartacus: Just a friendly question.
Draba: Gladiators don't make friends. If we're ever matched in the arena together, I have to kill you.

*** The trouble with reality is there's no background music. ***

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There were a flurry of films dealing with racism and antisemitism in the late 1940's- "Crossfire", "Home of the Brave", "Gentlemen's Agreement" & "Pinky". Although these films challenged the prejudices of the time, they tended to reduce minority status to being someone else cause, or a "problem" to be solved. Even though these films were considered "daring" in their day, by about 1950 Hollywood stopped making these films. People see films to be entertained, and "message" films generally don't do well unless they have a strong story as well as a message. The other thing is that a lot of the people involved in these films ended up being blacklisted during the McCarthy era, which in any case made Hollywood even more adverse to controversy.

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Indeed - civil rights activists, or even those in the entertainment industry who donated to the cause, were often accused of being commies. And for some bizarre - and scary - reason, it's still relatively common for right wingers to use the same cudgel, or variations.
Who needs to debate the issue, when the person on the other side is OBVIOUSLY anti-American in the extreme?

It used to work, and for many on the right it still does - or at least, it should.

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Aside from invisibility, I cringe at the way African Americans were portrayed in films (ignorant and simple minded). I was watching "Casablanca" in a revival house last summer and it jarred me to hear Ingrid Bergman's character refer to Dooley Wilson's character as "boy". And his relationship with Humphrey Bogart's character was (for the time) quite progressive.

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It is true that the South is now largely Republican. But, that doesn't change anything that I said. I also think that the Democratic Party was and is a good place to go for politicians that have a personal agenda. Because the Democratic Party has no underlying theme, policy, or principles, a politician can run on anything and call himself (or herself) a Democrat and make it stick. Back at the turn of the 19th into the 20th Century, William Jennings Bryan ran for President in two different parties at the same time, one of them the Democrats!

Currently, the Republicans have a problem. Too many want to emulate the Democratic Party and divorce themselves and the Party from traditional Republican principals. This, along with many people discovering that the Democrats have no principles, has given rise to the Tea Party, which is really a slogan, not a true political party. It might become one some day, maybe even before the Libertarian Party becomes meaningful.

History goes back a lot further than LBJ. That giant of Democratic "principles" talked the Congress into the Tonkin Gulf Resolution based on two attacks on U.S. warships. One of them was greatly exaggerated and the other never occurred. When this was pointed out to the President he declared that it didn' matter. The important thing was to get the resolution.

Maybe you're the one that needs to read a little history.

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Don't forget the Hank Williams story. His mentor was a black man like in this movie

Any of those Our Gang shorts and the Bowery Boys.

Edge of the City with Sidney Poitier and John Cassavettes

Home of the Brave, again with the underrated James Edwards and Lloyd Bridges

The Long ships

No Way Out. Sidney Poitier's best friend was Richard Widmark but in this movie you would never know. In the movie Poitier's plays a doctor and he did have a very good friendship with his mentor and other white doctors.

Paris Blues

The World, the Flesh and the Devil

Island in the Sun

Oh and the Defiant Ones. THey were really enemies but not really

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Glad you brought that up. I missed the begining of this film but was particularly moved by the sensitive, caring nature of the Hernandez character's friendship with Douglas' character. That came across as truly genuine. In that vein, I've really enjoyed Sidney Poitier's films.

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First off, the early scenes made me very curious about him, why didn't he have a spouse or kids?


It's because he's the token black friend/magical negro. It's unrealistic and racist. And it's a trope that whites use because they truly don't SEE Black people for the complicated, nuanced, multi-dimensional, REALISTIC, and RELATABLE HUMAN BEINGS they actually are. So whites use faulty, shallow, one-dimensional information they got off the IDIOT BOX, apply it to Black people in real life, and still have the nerve to expect people to respect their stupid, baseless opinions. White supremacy maintains itself by utilizing tokens to give the appearance of fairness and equity. Tokens don’t eradicate white supremacist standards so much as allow for an exception. An individual Black person can always be recognized as intelligent. But it must be done by positing them as an "exception" to the "rest of the Black people." This allows whites to maintain the status quo of white domination and racial oppression and while welcoming A FEW individual Black people who are conciliatory and palatable to them in as an anomaly.


Black people DO NOT want to be your magical negros or gateway to blackness/Black culture. I have a life to live and I was not put on THIS Earth to some magical negro- mammy to random white people and help those of considerable social privilege "be a better person." Everybody loves the idea of the neutered, or nice "magical creature" (i.e. such as vampires and werewolves ala Buffy and Twilight), but when the idea that one of these "creatures" might actually use their powers to "attack" comes up, white people get mighty uncomfortable. It's the same reason why a Black woman is loved as the sassy comic relief in the workplace, but as soon as she starts having ideas and input, or questions things, she becomes a "problem" or "insubordinate." Racism is a human rights issue. It isn't about politics or white's neurotic b.s. It's about our basic human rights and our basic human dignity. I don't have to be perfect or best friends with whites to have my HUMAN RIGHTS be respected - I am owed that anyway as a freaking human being.

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If you would give more examples from the movie that would be helpful, because the character of Art Hazzard does not seem to be the way you say he is. The reason he doesn't have kids is not because he's some magical character. Rather, he's a flawed man who mirrors Kirk Douglas' character. He's an older version of him, warning him about the wrong road to take. He's an impressive and inspirational person, a father figure, and simultaneously a model for what not to do. He is the beginning of the movie and the end. Actually, there is too little of him, and his story might actually have been a more interesting movie than this one. He is very far from being one-dimensionl or "the sassy comic relief".




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I'll do you one better. Just take a look at this list every time you watch a tv show or film:

How to tell if a character is a stereotype

Here are the common signs in American film and television that a character is a racial, non-white ethnic stereotype. Any one of these might be innocent - although it's highly unlikely - but each is a red flag. These stereotypes in are in reference to those who are not so-called "mainstream" white American/British characters.

1.Fits a known stereotype – East Asian martial arts expert, Arab/West Asian terrorist, Native American brave, African American drug dealer, etc. But these are the easy cases because you already know the stereotype. For cases where you do not, read on:

2."Ethnic" sidekick – the character lives only for the white hero, has no life of his own. Tonto, John Coffee, every single Mammy character - especially from that racist film made by and for racist white women, "The Help."

3.Token – he is the only one of his race or ethnic group and he is NOT the hero.

4.Helpless Darkies – everyone is ethnic except for the white hero and the white bad guys. You are watching a white saviour film where the purpose of "ethnic others" is to prove how just how "good" whites can be.

5.Lacks moral complexity – compared to whites: either too good (God, judge, guru) or too evil (stock bad guy), not in between. Never a mix of good and evil, never torn about moral decisions. At one end you have Morgan Freeman playing God (Magical Negro stereotype), at the other end you have "Evil Ethnics" who kill for no reason.😒

6.Lacks an inner life – no thoughts or feelings of his own. On a television drama the dead giveaway is the lack of a love life or family life. But you have to compare this to the white characters with roughly the same number of lines – they might be just as bad. Freema Agyeman on “Law & Order: UK”, for example, seems to play a Noble But Boring Middle Class Black person – she has no life outside of work – but then neither do the white characters! In “Doctor Who” she does have a love life, even if it is unrequited. Regina Taylor’s character in “I’ll Fly Away” does not have much of a love life, but her journal and family life makes her inner life plain.

7.Fails the Bechdel Test for Race – the character only talks to whites OR only talks about whites.

8."Ethnic" girls are easy – always a stereotype.

9.Speaks otherized English – speaks broken English (That right, Kemo Sabe!), non-Standard English or with a Recognized Ethnic Accent (Yah man!). Because only whites can speak “perfect” English!

10.Conspicuous "Ethnic" Characteristics – clothing, hairstyles, accent, slang, etc. Like Jamaicans wearing locs - even though in the REAL world where everybody else lives, most people with half a brain know that most Jamaicans do NOT wear locs in their hair. Sheltered, willfully ignorant white viewers see these stereotypes as just being "true-to-life", because they ACTUALLY think the faulty, shallow, one-dimensional stereotypes they got off the idiot box are true. Why? Because they see them over and over again in white controlled films and tv shows that are written by willfully ignorant whites for willfully ignorant whites. But a real-life non-white person is far more ordinary yet interesting than that – like the Black characters on “The Cosby Show." Or, you know, like white main characters in general.

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That's a really useful list. I'm going to study it and use it against other movies, but you still aren't really talking about this movie. You're just talking in general. So, I'm thinking you are the one who prejudged this movie. I'm not saying it's the perfect most-forward thinking even-handed movie ever. I'm just saying it's a step in the right direction for Hollywood.

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