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Been reading comments and still can't figure out what happened to the brother except that he was sick and seen by a doc at another location. Was half dozey while watching. And what of the broach?

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The brother rang for the porter in the middle of the night. He was feverish and ill and a doctor was called. This doctor diagnosed bubonic plague. As the exposition was in full swing and Paris was packed with people, the doctor/hotel management needed to hush this disaster up quickly before panic emptied the city. They decided to shuttle brother off to a hospital, close up his room, disguise the fact there had ever been a room or a brother, and lie to his sister in the morning. They do this pretty cleverly, but miss the fact that brother had talked to other people they weren't aware of, and underestimate the spunkiness of sister in finding her missing brother. The brooch is put in the safe hastily by the hotel management. Through one thing and another, sister and artist discover the hidden room, alert the police, and the hotel management and doctor are persuaded to tell the whole story. The artist rounds up a doctor friend, they told what hospital brother is in, and head there. But even the nursing sisters there deny the brother's presence. However, they eventually do relent and let his doctor see her, who tells her that her brother has plague. The artist's doctor friend sees him and thinks he'll recover. Sister has a brief look in the room to verify its him, but can't go near him because he's still contagious. Artist and sister walk off into the sunset relieved.

Am I anywhere near the imaginary cliff?

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Damn. I was hoping this wasn't the same story as told by Alfred Hitchcock from one of his TV shows.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0508183/plotsummary
So Long At The Fair is playing at the Seattle Film Festival this year.
Thanks for the spoiler, the story sounded familiar to me so I thought I'd check here to make sure before going to see it at the film festival.

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What a lame disappointing ending. The Plague???? Couldn't they think of anything better than that? The film was good until we found out what happened to the brother. And then everyone in the room went: "LAME!!!" in disgust.

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"Lame"? As soon as she said "Naples," I knew. Thought it was exciting. Ever see "Panic in the Streets"? Plague still shows up, once in a while, here and there. In a way, yes--it's the "lameness' that makes it so interesting. because you're thinking "international spy intrigue" ir at least "conspiracy to commit murder"--and it turns out to be that old thing from the Ganges....again. And the fear of losing the tourists...again.

Really enjoyed this one---if i enjoyed it $30.00 worth--not sure yet.

Um--"Death in Venice" anyone (they call cholera "plague" too, although it's somewhat different.)


Oh: early and late cases in an epidemic (see Kristen Lavrensdatter, by Sigrid Unset) are frequently not fatal. So the ending is not preposterous. Of course she was talking about the plague that wiped out 1/3 of Europe, not an isolated incident in Paris.




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Oh: early and late cases in an epidemic (see Kristen Lavrensdatter, by Sigrid Unset) are frequently not fatal. So the ending is not preposterous. Of course she was talking about the plague that wiped out 1/3 of Europe, not an isolated incident in Paris.


It had nothing to do with whether plague cases were early or late. It had to do with the type you contracted. There are three forms--Bubonic, Pneumonic and Septicemic, which are basically the same except for how they are contracted. Bubonic is contracted by flea bites, Pneumonic by the passing of infected sputum from patient to patient, and I'm not sure they yet know how Septicemic is contracted. It may be a form of Pneumonic that creates sepsis.

For mortality rates, even Bubonic is 30-75% and would have been about 80% during the time period of the film (before antibiotics) because there was no effective treatment. It kills in about eight days. Pneumonic has a mortality rate with treatment of 40% or higher (*if* it's caught early). Without, it's over 90%. It kills within about 48 hours. The mortality rate for Septicemic is about 100%, probably because it is the rarest and can kill within hours.

Another fun-scary fact--Pneumonic becomes the most common in areas of dense population, such as cities, hence why everyone freaks out. All of the larger cities in the Middle Ages that were hit saw a mortality rate of 50-70%. Think about that--seven out of ten of your neighbors, family, and friends died and you and the other two survivors had to bury them.

The mortality rate of the Black Death is in some dispute. The idea that a third of Europe died does not come from scientific estimates so much as a French writer at the time, Froissart, who guessed (from the Book of Revelation) that "a third of the world died." Current estimates range between 30-70% of the European population, partly because death tolls varied widely. Germany and England were "relatively" hit less hard with maybe 20%, but it seems that the Mediterranean area may have seen a mortality rate of over 75%.

In addition, all of Eurasia (and North Africa) was hit, but we don't know as much about the other areas. The Middle East probably lost around 40% (keeping in mind that it was more densely populated and that they therefore may have lost *more* people than Europe, as a result). Estimates worldwide range from 75 to 200 million (personally, from what I've read, I lean more toward the 200 million mark). A lot depends on how many people were living in the world. It's generally believed to be about 500 million, so Froissart, surprisingly, may have been correct in his guesstimate, at least for the whole world population.

Plague is a very, very scary thing. The plague we have now is basically the same as the one that hit seven centuries ago. It really hasn't evolved much at all. Apparently, it didn't need to. It is also endemic in all sorts of rodent populations (including in the western United States) and continued to hit Europe until the mid-17th century, with persistent local outbreaks, known as the Third Pandemic, as late as 2014. It is also believed by some historians to have been the infamous Justinian Plague in the 6th century CE.

The hope is that with antibiotics and modern sanitation, we can prevent future pandemics, but it's hard to say. People speculate a lot about world-killing pandemics, but Plague is the only one with that kind of an historical track record.

The people in the hotel were being incredibly (and even criminally) selfish, since others could easily have been infected and the whole place should have been put under quarantine. But such fears were very common in plague cities.

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"Lame"...?!? The plague is "lame?" Pray tell what you might have judged to be better? Not to mention that this film is based upon supposedly true events which were reported in English and American newspapers in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Would've been hard to make this tale up.

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Really? The articles and books I've read suggested that it was fairly likely to be true...but I guess who really knows at this point, if it wasn't documented well enough? It would be pretty cool (although actually horrifying) to imagine that such an event might have taken place, but perhaps it was all just a legend from the start. If that's the case, whomever thought it up had a good, and freaky, imagination! I really enjoyed this movie as well. :3 Having grown up with one version of the story in a scary-story book, I knew I'd have to find this eventually...

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I just finished this movie now. I seem to remember reading a short story with a similar theme and ending. I'm not sure if this movie is based on that short story. At any rate, after a certain point, I realized that the ending of this movie would be the same as the short story's ending.

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The doctor actually tells them that there is a minuscule chance that he will survive. Vicky is very happy to have found her brother and smiles at first calling out his name; however she walks away sadly with George's arm around her.
They realize that although she has found her brother, he will probably die.

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I don't think that the brother dies. The doctor told Vicky that once the fever had abated, which it had in Johnny's case, that there was a very good chance that the brother would survive, and I have just looked at the film and she doesn't look particularly sad as she walks away with George - more tired but relieved, if anything.

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