Good, but...


I was originally going to post this as a reply to the "not for everyone" board but decided it might be better as its own thread.

I wholeheartedly agree that the film is very much an excellent work of art, but, having said that, not one that I ever felt fully "clicked" with me. After hearing a lot about this movie (I've forgotten where exactly) I very much wanted to love it and put it on my list of favorites. And I don't think the film was ever boring, as such (no one actually said "boring," and I appreciate the sensitivity with which people have criticized the film - sad that it's so rare on these imdb boards) or even slow. I felt that the moral plot of the movie moved along (usually) quite quickly, more or less at the right pace to keep me as interested as possible.

Perhaps it's because I like moralistic movies and "deep" moral themes (such as seen in works by Von Trier etc.), but I was constantly interested in watching the unfolding of the battle over the priest's soul, which to me was an "exciting" subject matter every bit as interesting (if not more so) than more conventional thrillers.

HAVING SAID THAT... I just don't feel the movie adds up so well. While tipping my hat graciously to the courage with which this film takes on the depiction of the human soul, I can't help but say that it falls victim to the stereotypically "European" vice in film of not doing enough to explain what is happening. As wonderful as its Dostoyevskian exchanges of characters' thoughts on good and evil are, I feel that they really aren't properly supported by adequate explanation.

No one in the count's family appeared real - they seem to be made up of too much philosophy and psychological issues and not enough "character" of the sort that would make them plausible. I still have no idea what the deal was with the little girl who was the countess' daughter; the priest provided a great deal of psychoanalysis of her, but from the first time we meet her she's talking about hatred, violence, and hating "him" - who is "him?" I seriously did not understand that scene where she first talks to him in church. Was she complaining that she'd suffered abuse by her father or by a priest? Was she complaining that her father was having an affair with the governess? Was he even? What does that have to do with anything? And why does that make her angry with her mother - what does she want the mother to do? I still don't get it!

His conversation with the countess also didn't really seem logical - it sort of defied my belief that anyone would just launch straight into a conversation like that - he goes on talking about her pride, her lack of love, her this and her that, etc, but he's ONLY MET THE WOMAN ONCE (and, perhaps more importantly, so has the audience - and she never actually displayed any of these qualities meaningfully)! The fact that she just goes on arguing with him without missing a beat about a life we know nothing about just kind of lends the whole thing a surreal feeling that's out of step with the generally realistic view the rest of the movie tries to give.

His relations with the rest of the congregation are also not developed satisfyingly enough - we meet the one man who wants to bury his wife, and briefly the mother of the good girl, but how is it that he's so confounded by this one noble family? They seem to be the whole picture as far as he's concerned, and though he speaks of the hostility of the rest of the congregation we don't really see it - they mostly seem to be bringing him rabbits and stuff. Also they never explained why he didn't simply start eating regular food - he didn't even talk about considering it.

It's fine to leave things deliberately ambiguous as an artistic tool - as in when a film ends and you don't know what decision the characters make. Not explaining things or not resolving tensions, however, if it is not done for a clear purpose, is just bad filmmaking. Maybe if someone can help me understand this a bit better by explaining some crucial piece I missed, everything will fit into place. Otherwise, I think this was a phenomenal work of art that suffered from a fixable failure to provide some simple explanations for its action - which makes it fall disappointingly short of its enormous potential.

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I found your point of view surprising, since I would say there is quite enough information to understand everything needed for the psychological and dramatic impact to build up uninterruptedly. It is generally a film in which parts remain mysterious but likely explanations are easy to make up.

Chantal, the countess' daughter, is lacking attention and love, as is made obvious in many ways. The countess herself, as is said explicitly by Miss Louise and seen by the picture she uses as a bookmark or by her glance to his photograph during the main discussion with the priest, has never gotten over losing her other child. Thus, the classical sibling rivalry for attention is made worse by a mother who seems to care more for the dead one than the remaining one. Then, the count puts his affair ahead of his family. For instance, as Chantal says, "They don't even draw the curtains". In the words of the countess, she's suffered "absurd humiliations", probably referring to the count's behavior toward his family. To top it all, the plan to send Chantal away to presumably relatives shows that her parents have given up on her, and it's also a surprising departure from the count's objection that "Chantal, sad? You must be joking", which shows that he either doesn't know her that much or doesn't care if he gives up. The "him" Chantal is referring to is obviously her father, as in her rebuke to Ambricourt's "If you loved your father, you wouldn't be in this state of revolt", saying "I no longer respect him. I think I hate him. I hate them all."

The first scene when Chantal and the priest meet in church is related to a request by Chantal to intervene in her family. As the count says, "My family's always been on good terms with your predecessors, terms of mutual respect and friendship. But no priest shall meddle in my family matters!" The details are irrelevant. That her father has an affair with the governess is out of debate. That's one of the first things shown in the film, with the couple seeming bothered to be seen with one another by the priest! And the relationship is clearly acknowledged by both Chantal and the countess.

Chantal is clearly upset that her mother cannot prevent the affair or even that she fakes not noticing it. In the countess' words "After putting up all these years with countless infidelities (...) Shall I care more about my daughter's pride than my own? Let her put up with it as I have." Chantal : "She's a fool and a coward. Never could stand up for her own happiness", about her mother.

It's not clear that the priest has only met the countess once before his main discussion with her. It's a film in which events between two discussions are alluded to. There are ellipses, if you prefer. Torcy saying that he's heard "some disturbing things about you. But no matter. I know how malicious people can be" easily reminds of Ambricourt's drinking habits, among other things. I would not say the countess never displays her personality. Beyond what we suspect from others' behavior, in her discussions with the priest, she's on her guard : "On seeing you, I felt you had come with some purpose in mind", "And that you also meant to keep it to yourself". That she still has concerns about religion is shown too, "How little we know what a human life really is". Her frustration with her family is expressed during the conversation, and it's in sync with what we hear from others.

The priest is said to be awkward with people, and it's just normal in the course of his activities that he will be troubled by encounters with people he doesn't necessarily has the time to fully understand, or that preferred to stay aloof, since "The people here are malicious. Believe me, I know.", says the count. His focus on that family can be explained in many ways. First, Louise is often the only person in the church, so she has more access to the priest than other inhabitants, and uses that to complain about her situation "Her Ladyship is very kind, but Miss Chantal enjoys humiliating me and treats me like a servant". The count is rich, and as the priest says, "A good first impression could spell success for my plans for a youth club and sports program. The count's influence and wealth could help me to achieve them". Besides, about the count : "He's said to be hard on his farmer, and he's no model parishioner. Why has he so quickly become the so desperately rare friend, ally and companion?" The count's uncle says "My nephew is moving heaven and earth. The bishop, a simple man, takes him seriously". This family is influential and central in the village. As for the hostility of the rest of the village, we can mention the poisoning, the bad welcome by Seraphita's mother, the gossip alluded to by Torcy, the angry man who wants to bury his wife, people who shun him when the countess' corpse is displayed, his church that remains mostly empty, children who laugh at him, Louise's letter that he should ask for a transfer. The one bringing him a rabbit is the count, the one who's become "a friend". Furthermore, it's not that he did not consider eating regular food, it's that he stopped doing so. That's told in the beginning of the movie, "I deliberately cut out meat and vegetables". His stomach cancer was beginning.

It's generally a very dense movie and many other things can be understood if one pays attention. For example, in his relationship with children, we see him write in his diary "But why such hostility? What had I done to them?". Many things can be said. First, experience of life will simply tell us that some taunting is just to be expected, that's it's children's way of trying a newcomer. That the priest wonders what he has done them just tells that he takes things too seriously, that he lacks experience, that he's sometimes too sensitive and should worry less about such trifles. However, things are not equivalent in all locations, and he's indeed in a bad parish and a more serious trap by Seraphita is set later on, showing that difficult family relationships or a bad local atmosphere makes children take on others. His sometimes clueless approach just makes him a likely target.

I would strongly recommend that you watch it again. It's one of my favorite movies. Every gesture, every reply, every camera move is striking and I find it absolutely invaluable as a psychological portrait, a social indictment, or an artistic experiment. Several explanations could be given for its meaning. Most of all, it attacks indifference and pettiness by contrasting an over-eager near-saint with a hostile village giving him a bad welcome and not interested in what he has to say. A heartbreaking story of hope and good intentions broken down by reality? A consolation for those who have felt alone and rejected by a world they did not understand, but remained certain that they had the truth? A celebration of perseverance in the face of repeated failure? A social critique of selfish, material people without empathy? A masochistic comedy about the uselessness of religion? You be the judge, but to me it's a supremely moving film.

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Thank you for that detailed, illuminating post!

And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.

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I find your surprise surprising. You've obviously seen the movie several times, and have forgotten how it is to see it for the first time. Several crucial points about plot and character are pretty obscure. Many of the things you mention, especially the priest's ill treatment, are mentioned in passing, almost parenthetically. And after all your explanations (which do make sense) I still have no idea why Chantal was smiling when she helped the priest pack. Also see the thread here entitled "Please help me understand..." for more questions one can have.

This movie obviously rewards multiple viewings, and I'm not disputing that everything you describe will become clear after subsequent viewings. It's just that, for me, it wasn't rewarding enough as an experience the first time to warrant trying again (probably). I do agree with the OP that (even if we grant that all their motives can be made clear) some of the characters just wasn't drawn well enough to seem like real characters. I love movies by Rohmer, Truffaut, Malle, and even if there's something I don't understand, I believe the characters and I'm invested in the movie, and I want to see it again to get everything I didn't the first time.

I even like someone like Jia Zhangke, where very little character motivation is given freely, but the characters are so real and truthful. Maybe it's also the melodramatic, overwrought style of Diary of a Country Priest that turns me off. But I really do think that simply making what's happening a little clearer would make the movie as a whole easier to enjoy without having to study it several times.

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In “The Devil Probably” by the same director, the main character is successively disappointed by sentimental relationships, religion and left-wing militancy. One of the ironies of the film is that his psychologist is only good to teach him the right way to commit suicide. At some point, his friends and he attend an anarchist meeting where the need to destroy is proclaimed. "Destroy what? How? What will there be afterwards?", he asks. An anonymous girl answers, "You want to know everything in advance, that's how you never do anything".

I'm using something not very sensible, accepting political violence without justification, to promote something quite sensible, accepting that Bresson films appeal to feelings (albeit in a very restrained way) before reason. That's my twisted sense of humor.

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