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Joan vs. Rosalind Russell


Has anyone seen both versions? which do you like more?

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Dorothy Arzner's 1936 "Craig's Wife," which is much closer to the Pulitzer Prize-winning play by George Kelly, and far more probing and less soapy than Vincent Sherman's stripped-down 1950 remake, is the better film.

Neither Russell in one version nor Crawford in the other is particularly good, in my opinion, but it hardly matters. The central character is a dead center. Craig's wife is irrelevant to "Craig's Wife" in any of its incarnations. However, I'm sure you are aware that Russell's performance is somewhat more highly regarded.

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I just watched Craig's Wife and, in my opinion, it was the better of the two films. I felt Rosalind Russell's portrayal was more believable because I don't normally think of her in dead serious dramatic roles. I recall thinking that Joan Crawford does often play the very same kind of character and I find her acting less interesting because of it. That's just my two cents.

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Crawford's performance is the better one and HARRIET CRAIG is a far more interesting film than CRAIG'S WIFE. Crawford is well suited to the role and the structure and denoument of the film are so much better conveyed than in the Russell version. Crawford's Harriet is more calculating and sexually liberated and tells so many more lies that when it all finally comes crashing down upon her at the end she can't keep straight what lies she told to whom and her whole life comes tumbling in. It is a sight to behold Crawford trying to keep up the pretense when one lie comes on top of another at a meteroic rate. It is a brilliantly directed, acted and scripted last half hour. I love Rosalind Russell but her version is boring and she makes Harriet way too sympathetic and not the shrew the script demands. She also seems too young and inexperienced for the part. CRAWFORD reigns supreme. Better dramatic Russell films are PICNIC, MOURNING BECOMES ELECTRA and THE VELVET TOUCH.

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I haven't seen HARRIET CRAIG yet, but from reading comments about it I can't help but wonder if people react to Crawford's performance not only based on other Crawford performances but because of what we now know about her real-life personality quirks and actions. I realize, of course, that it's difficult not to do this, though I fear it may color some performances unfairly, while actually enhancing others (when I watch Audrey Hepburn in THE NUN'S STORY, for instance, her performance seems enhanced by the knowledge of all the good works she did in her later years).

"Stone-cold sober I find myself absolutely fascinating!"---Katharine Hepburn

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I agree with both you and scotgrunes. I prefer the older talkie to this remake.

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I enjoyed both versions very much - the Harriet Craig of CRAIG'S WIFE seemed more concerned with her social position as well as her security, whereas Crawford's HARRIET CRAIG's motives seemed rooted in her childhood fear of abandonment - she's much more manipulative than Roz Russell's for those reasons - in fact, the character reminds me more of Ellen in LEAVE HER TO HEAVEN, who wants her husband all to herself to the exclusion of all others, including his own brother or a child.

Ironic, of course, that HARRIET CRAIG only weeps real tears when her Ming vase is broken! The final shot of Crawford alone in the house reminded me a bit of the scene in MR SKEFFINGTON wherein Fanny Skeffington finds herself alone and unwanted in that big house, surrounded by mirrors which remind her of what she's lost.

The cast was excellent all around - Lucile Watson, my favorite screen matron, sparkled in her scenes as she always did in everything.

"Stone-cold sober I find myself absolutely fascinating!"---Katharine Hepburn

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Joan's mean but Rosalind was cold as ice!

I don't know who told the person who wrote in the the first comment on the first page that that the Rosslind Russell version was written as a comedy but that's not true. Russell is even more hardboiled to John Boles than Joan Crawford is to Wendell Corey. Russell had ice in her veins! I found it strange that this film sort of picks up where the other left off because Harriet is off to see her sick mother. In the original film her mother dies and Harriet didn't even try to go to her prentending she wasn't that ill. Rosalind also had a sister but in this version she's a cousin. Both films are good but it does seem Joan is overacting the part. Russell is quietly evil and when she's found out she can barely speak. Joan goes on and on trying to steal the fight scenes from Corey. Russell's film called "Craig's Wife" is the better classier version. The ending is less but more. Joan talks too much in her version and I didn't fell any sympathy for her but I felt bad for russell even after all she had done. I also notice how the second film is called "Harriet Craig" putting all the focus on Joan from the start. I'm glad TCM showed them back to back today.




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I respectfully disagree with MOJO - I like the Crawford version better because the script is tighter and the denoument handled in a far more gripping way. I'm glad they took out the murder subplot and focused wholly on Harriet's manipulative, obsessive compulsive disorder. I thought the matching between Crawford and Corey far more equall and sexually motivated from a character and actor standpoint than Russell and Boles. Joan Crawford electrifies the screen whereas Russell seems rather bland and detached. I like Rosalind Russell in many many things but not really as the shrewish Harriet Craig - she also seemed a little too young and inexperienced for the part. But that's just my opinion. Joan Crawford I don't feel is overacting this part, I feel she nails head on a very specific type of women that I have experienced in my life. She is like a hurricane or tornado and Russell is like a 5 minute thunderstorm. I prefer the hurrican. Thanks for listening.

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""""""""""""""I respectfully disagree with MOJO - I like the Crawford version better because the script is tighter and the denoument handled in a far more gripping way. I'm glad they took out the murder subplot and focused wholly on Harriet's manipulative, obsessive compulsive disorder. I thought the matching between Crawford and Corey far more equall and sexually motivated from a character and actor standpoint than Russell and Boles. Joan Crawford electrifies the screen whereas Russell seems rather bland and detached. I like Rosalind Russell in many many things but not really as the shrewish Harriet Craig - she also seemed a little too young and inexperienced for the part. But that's just my opinion. Joan Crawford I don't feel is overacting this part, I feel she nails head on a very specific type of women that I have experienced in my life. She is like a hurricane or tornado and Russell is like a 5 minute thunderstorm. I prefer the hurrican. Thanks for listening."""""""""""""""""




i agree with this totally.. plus i would also add that, to me, the one true sign of joan having nailed the tragic essence of her role is in the final 30 minutes as harriet's carefully-manufactured 'reality' comes crashing down around her.. those are some of the most electrically charged 30 minutes in joan's entire filmography, and as she ascends that regal staircase, you feel a nauseating mixture of disgust, pity, claustrophobic anxiety and overwhelming sadness, doom and loss that one almost feels the need to rush outdoors to remind oneself that the world has not in fact come to an end.. i.e., the ending of this movie is so chillingly powerful, it's the closest i think i have ever come to feeling like death/suicide all around me.. truly powerful stuff and really not for the faint of heart.. honestly, this movie's morality tale downfall stays with you for days.. i sense this may be due in part to the fact that, as flawed creatures, we have perhaps all told lies, however small, and manufactured a certain public reality for ourselves which may not be exactly true to who we really are.. in this sense, the movie acts as a chilling mirror held in front of our collective faces and reflecting our very own human shortcomings.. again, a morality tale has rarely surpassed this for sheer cautionary impact, especially on film..

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I was rooting for Joan on this thread until Anticaria came along and demolished her credibility as an actress. Poor Joan.

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You nailed it, jaddeo! This is a great film; I always enjoy watching it when it airs on TCM.

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Russell's portrayal is better and truer to the author's vision.

Ironically, Russell and Crawford chomped a ton of scenery in The Women - both were titans at their craft and truly formidable.

English MA: Symbolism/my life. Truth vs the world - Boudicca of the Iceni

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I saw "Craig's Wife" years ago and just couldn't get into it. It seemed too stagy, and while Russell's characterization made Harriet's monstrous selfishness clear, she was a bit of a bore (just another stuck up upper class matron). Crawford's Harriet is a fascinating villainess. Even her servants have her psychoanalyzed for our delectation. She like a bad car wreck- you can't turn your eyes away from her.

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