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Why do the ladies never stand to bid the guest goodnight?


This is a silly question, I know, but it's just something I happened to notice. The men usually stand to shake hands with the guest, but the ladies don't. I used to think the men stood for the female guests, as sort of a show of gentlemanly chivalry, which the ladies on the panel were not required to do. But then I noticed the men stood for the male guests also, while the ladies did not. The only time I ever saw the whole panel stand was for Bishop Fulton Sheen.

"Wicked tiger. He looks proud."

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It's a custom, largely ignored nowadays. Gentlemen stand, ladies remain seated.

You'll notice that they do occasionally stand, when the guest is someone of particular note or importance.

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Yes, Bishop Sheen was one. Eleanor Roosevelt & Margaret Chase Smith were others.

I think it's more a matter of respect than "note or importance".

Sam Tomaino

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You're right, Sam. I worded that badly.

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I figured it was something to that effect. Thanks, both of you.

"Wicked tiger. He looks proud."

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If I remember correctly, didn't Dorothy kiss Bishop Sheen's ring?

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Hi Jimbo,

Yes jimbo you are correct. We all have to remember what a different time this was. The world has changed so much regarding manners and conventions and so forth.

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Believe it or not, it's for economic reasons. As you may recall, the men wear tuxedos and the women don fancy evening gowns. For the guys, it was no big deal- all they had to do was buy one black tux and they were set for life. For the gals, though, it was prohibitively expensive to buy a new dress for each Sunday night. Hence, several top designers of the day allowed the female panelists to borrow one of their recent creations and wear it on the show for publicity purposes. Unfortunately, there was an embarrassing incident where Arlene refused to return a gown- claiming the designer had given it to her as a gift. The designer, of course, denied it and there was big stink. Anyway, the result was from then on the designers would only give Dorothy and Arlene the top half of the dress- figuring a partial gown would be, more or less, useless to the wearer and they would return it without question. The reason the female panelists remain seated, is because they aren't wearing anything (or only slacks or underwear) from the waist down.

I wanna buy your carbon offsets.

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hey troll- LOL

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No, no, I'm sure he's right. And when the female panelists walked out from behind the curtain at the beginning of the show, the producers used CGI to "paint" in the skirts. That's how far ahead of its time WML was.

*sheesh*

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LMAO- thanks, things have been getting a little dark & heavy in reality-land. needed a good laugh.

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Actually, I've noticed that the ladies stand when a contestant is elderly - a clear sign of respect. I've also noticed that Arlene Francis is more apt to stand than Kilgallen. We can speculate as to why that is, but keep your eyes peeled for that.

It was the etiquette of the day and I'm sure the ladies' garb had nothing at all to do with it.

If you can't improve the silence, DO NOT SPEAK!

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Actually, quite the contrary. Having watched several hundred episodes, I would say that Dorothy was far more eager to stand up and shake the guests hand. She seemed not to be as snotty as Arlene was. Dorothy, while being VERY anal, did seem to be the more genuine (less fake) of the two and was more gracious from my observations of course. As the years went by, both ladies stood more and more.

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When the director of the U. S. Secret Service was departing, he approached Dorothy first (after Fred Allen) and she remained seated. Then (after Bennett Cerf), he approached Arlene, who made a special point of rising, saying something like, "I'll definitely stand for the head of the Secret Service!"

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One time- one silly time- the male panelists stood on their chairs to say goodbye to the mystery guest. The mystery guest (who the panel correnctly identified) was Wilt Chamberlain. I thought it was silly, rude and embarassing

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Reminds of the riddle,
What does a man do standing up, a woman sitting down, and a dog do on three legs?
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Both are (were) correct.

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They also all stood up for the very young nun whose line was a dentist, and for another young nun who was the headmistress of a Catholic military academy for young boys. And all four routinely stood for very elderly guests (e.g. architect Frank Lloyd Wright), as well as for war heroes (though not for Audie Murphy), clergymen, and major statesmen (e.g. Chief of Protocol & Ambassador Ms. Perle Mesta). (Surprisingly, neither lady rose for noted humanitarian/physician Dr. Tom Dooley, world-renowned for his charitable medical work in Vietnam and Laos, even though it was mentioned that he had cancer, of which he died a year later.)

Apparently, there was a period when even the male panelists remained seated (for departing male guests, anyway). I'm not sure of the season, but it appeared to be one of the earlier ones. Cesar Romero was the mystery guest (he stumped them), and no one (except John Daly, of course) stood as he bid good night to the panelists. And guest panelist Jack Paar (Tonight Show host) never stood for the departing male guests, even when Bennet Cerf had already risen to his feet.

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