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Why, or how did the ship end up in New York?


After the battle in the Pacific, when the ship is heavily damaged, and many hands lost -- the last scene shows the still heavily damaged aircraft carrier steaming into New York harbor, Statue of Liberty well displayed.

Why with the war still under way would they go that far, instead of San Diego, San Francisco, or Seattle, to have the ship repaired for return to duty?

Could a WWII aircraft carrier even fit through the Panama Canal to get from the Pacific to the Atlantic? I doubt it, I've been there, those locks are small; it would have been hurricane season in the Atlantic at that time of year too, another reason not to take a damaged ship into the area. And it would be insane to take such a damaged vessel around South America.

I know it's just a movie -- but that scene makes no sense at all.

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The Navy designs ships with the Canal in mind. Current ships, including aircraft carriers, can pass through the Canal. I think the Montana Class battleship, planned for but canceled after WWII, was the only design considered which would not have been able to make the passage.

The movie ship was based on the USS Franklin:

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/carriers/histories/cv13-franklin/cv13-franklin.html

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This is excellent information, thank you.

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You're right about the Montana class battleships. If built they would have had a beam of 120 feet. All the lock chambers; Gatun Lock, Miraflores Lock, and Pedro Miguel Lock, of the Panama Canal are 110 feet wide. The Iowa Class, and South Dakota Class battleships have a 108 ft beam at the widest point amidships. So could naturally squeeze through with one foot to spare both port and starboard. I am English; a former merchant seaman out of the Port of Liverpool and passed through the Panama Canal eastbound and westbound to the West Coast of South America for many years. In 1950 we passed USS Missouri squeezing through the Gatun Locks heading for the Pacific shortly after the Korean War broke out. We were homeward bound through the same lock. And in case you may not be aware. The three Midway Class carriers completed just after World War Two, with a 136 feet extreme beam were, obviously, too large to transit the canal. And that, of course, goes for all those super carriers built from the nineteen-fifties onwards. I got talking to a Chief Petty Officer Quatermaster off one of those Midway Class carriers in Valparaiso, Chile in 1957. He sailed on her from the Atlantic to the Pacific via Cape Horn.
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Thanks for the information. I didn't know that.

Off topic but possibly interesting. Connie and I took the USS Missouri tour, now parked in Pearl Harbor. We got to thinking about why the ship was used as the location for the signing of the surrender document. Thought we came up with a good one for such an historic occasion - The Last Battleship of the Last War. OK, the Wisconsin was fourth in the class but still we liked the "weight" of our statement.

Ran it by an old Gunners Mate who was one of the docents. He laughed and said, "Who was the President of the USA at the time?"

It was "his" boat ....

And a bit of irony. The land side rest rooms are equipped with Toyo fixtures.

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I zoomed down and looked at the USS Missouri berthed at Ford Island, Pearl Harbor a few months back. Have you never heard of websites in question? Click onto, maps.live.com or, earth.google.com.

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Yes, I have Google Earth but don't understand its relevance to the little story about using the Missouri for the signing.

We toured the ship when we were stuck in Honolulu for two months. Gratefully, we have been on Molokai for the past 7 years.

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The Gunner's Mate you ran into had the answer alright. He may not have explained it fully, and deliberately left you to make a guess. Missouri was President Harry Truman's home state. His daughter Margaret christened the ship at the New York Navy Yard in June 1944. Her father being, at that time, U.S. Senator Harry S. Truman. Harry was something of a prophet when called to make a speech at the launching on that June day in forty-four. He stated, "The time is surely coming when the people of Missouri can thrill with pride as the MISSOURI and her sister ships, with batteries blazing, sail into Tokyo Bay." And it was Truman who designated the MISSOURI for the surrender ceremony when Japan decided to throw in the towel and call it quits. Where did I get all this information from? From one of many books I've got on the shelf that deal with the naval and air campaigns across the Pacific in World War Two.
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That was an Essex Class Carrier...it was actually modeled on the USS Bunker Hill (CV-17) and not the USS Ben Franklin (CV-13) which had been severely damaged a month earlier by kamikazes while conducting flight operations only 50 miles from the Japanese mainland...under her own power she managed to sail first to the Pittsburgh Navy Yard for initial repairs then onto the Brooklyn Navy Yard on 28th of April....the Bunker Hill was at Okinawa when hit by kamikazes just as Capt Scott's carrier was....but the Bunker Hill actually sailed back to Bremerton,WA via Pearl Harbor for repairs and not to New York....but we never lost a single Essex Class carrier sunk by enemy action.

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Except if you look again at the movie you'll see a big "13" on the flight deck of that carrier. And the return to New York (Brooklyn Navy Yard) squares with the Franklin story. So it seems that they meant to tell the Franklin story even if they got the detail of the attack location/timing wrong.

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The fictional depiction in the film is a composite treatment of both kamikaze incidents. Bunker Hill was damaged off Okinawa, but Franklin is the carrier in the footage, damaged two months earlier. Bunker Hill indeed went to Bremeton, and was back in service four months later. Franklin went to Brooklyn because the west coast yards were clogged with damaged ships and she needed lengthy repairs. She too eventually went back in service, altho neither carrier ever served as a first line fleet carrier again.

A few corrections. "Big Ben" is Franklin's nickname, but she was christened USS Franklin, not USS Ben Franklin. There is no Pittsburgh Navy Yard--the USS Pittsburgh towed Franklin until she could get up steam, but she sailed to the forward base at Ulithi and then to Pearl under her own power, before going on to Brooklyn.

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I'm glad someone else posted this question, and very glad that so many experts contributed.

I was ready to post a "goof" on the arrival in New York...

THANK YOU - to all who served, and doubly so to all who gave their lives.

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I too want to thank everyone for the expert responses.

The show just finished playing on Turner Classic Movies (5/23/09) and it appears, by the timing of these posts,that at least 3 of us just watched it.

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I think it's supposed to be the Franklin. When Scott assumes command, you can see the hull number 13 on the flight deck. The "Big Ben" did sail back to New York by way of Ulithi, then Pearl. The Franklin was also an Essex class (there were 24 built). Also, at least some of the combat footage (after the kamikaze) used in the movie is definitely the Franklin.

From what I read, the reason for New York instead of a California or Washington port was that the west coast ports were already full up with repair jobs from kamikaze attacks.

After seeing the movie this past Memorial Day, I noted the following:
1. Since the damage to Scott's ship occured at Okinawa, it would be based on the Bunker Hill.
2. Some of the damage footage is the Franklin, as is the overhead shot when Scott assumes command.
3. The shot of Adm. Pete Richard on the island of the Yorktown, waiting for the US strike to return at Midway,shows the flight deck with the number "36" clearly visible. This would be the USS Antietam, also an Essex class.

The question isn't "What carrier is the movie derived from?", but rather "What would the movie be without the Essex class carriers?"

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Carlos Aneiro: Just saw this fine movie again...
USS Franklin (CV 13) was named for a Civil War battle, that of Franklin, Tennesee; indirectly, & probably inevitably, she was nicknamed "Big Ben", the actual Captain of Franklin was Leslie R Gheres, he was also a Naval Aviation pioneer, having earned his Wings in 1919...he was what in Navy lingo is known as a Mustang, an enlisted "Swabbie" who became an officer, he was an admirable, yet very modest man, the way Real Heroes are...

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Aircraft carriers were named after famous battles so it follows that the Franklin would be named after a "place" rather than a "person."

On another note, ships that run under their own power don't sail, they steam. So the Franklin didn't sail anywhere. The one case this isn't 100% truth (sailing vs. steaming) is if the ship has both sails and engines but those are very rare these days.
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I agree that United States Aircraft carriers were traditional named after battlefields. Those battlefields could include prior US warships as well as places. There have been a few exceptions such as our first aircraft carrier, the USS Langley. Also, in recent decades the tradition has changed to name aircraft carriers after high ranking politicians, usually U.S. presidents.

I got curious and did a little research. Thank you to Wikipedia for making it easy.

The USS (Benjamin) Franklin was named after our most famous post master general in an indirect manner. The first USS Franklin was an armed schooner launched during the American Revolution and named in honor of Benjamin Franklin. A series of ships were then launched over the next 170 years, each of them named for the ships of the same name and by extension for Professor Franklin himself. I think that the USS Franklin, Essex-class aircraft carrier, was the last and largest of these ships so "Big Ben" is a highly apt nickname.

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TCM just showed this movie on 12-7-12 Pearl Harbor Day. I think they intentionally wrote the script that way so that the famous shot of the Statue of Liberty framed by some topside ship wreckage could be used. Very nice film clip and I have seen it used several times before in different films.

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Just watched the movie this afternoon myself and was thinking the same thing not knowing the history. But I reasoned that they took her there because there were only so many Navy Yards and A lot of ships to repair at that time in the war.


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