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Available on DVD, but a film-noir?


Someone knows, why this is a film-noir?

Howard da Silva (THE BLUE DAHLIA) seems the only real actor in this overrated film....

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Primarily the reason this is noir is becuz it was filmed by superb director/cinematographer team of Anthony Mann and John Alton who made many other noir films. The photography consists of deep focus compositions with high contrast. In the Mexican sequences, chiaroscuro lighting enhances the visuals. Also, the landscape of Calif deserts is often used by Mann to enhance the moral and emotional thrust of the action. Many desert films relate to noir sensibilities. This is why it is considered film noir.

Nothing exists more beautifully than nothing.

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I'd have to agree that BI does NOT seem like a Film Noir AT ALL. Are the facts that a film is shot on B&W film and the director and or cinematographer (or actors, for that matter) have done other films that fall into the film noir genre make a movie 'film noir'? IMO, most definitely not. I enjoyed this film a lot, probably more than the other five films included in the Warner Bros. ' Film Noir Classic Collection Vol. 3' (which, IMO is by far the weakest set out of the five volume series), but no way can I possibly classify this film as 'Noir'.

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I concur, it's really a stretch to classify Border Incident as a film noir, but then again, Fox would have us accept Daisy Kenyon as film noir, so I'm guessing that the Donna Reed Show will be released as a film noir boxed set!

Where's the femme fatale?? There were no women to speak of at all in this. This was just a crime drama/police procedural which almost gets it film noir status but not quite if you asked me.

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IMHO, and by virtue of the definition of 'film noir' on Wikipedia, this film falls under that cinematic umbrella. Not every film of that genre had a femme fatale or sexual motivation: '...particularly those that emphasize moral ambiguity and sexual motivation' [from Wikipedia], but certainly the crime element (moral ambiguity) is present (yes, US) within it's era, depiction, drama, action, storyboard and scene set-up. The storyline may have occurred outside the usual constructs of a Hollywood crime drama, but that only means it's not a 'classic' film noir.

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I have several film noir collections and several individual releases; some on VHS before film noir became a catchword. They all seem to have a certain sadness, despair and hopelessness to them. That with how using shadows and moods, I guess, is several things that make a film noir. Ever seen an upbeat film noir? The Hitch-Hiker with Frank Lovejoy and Edmond O’Brien is one of my favorites. No femme fatale in this one.

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(which, IMO is by far the weakest set out of the five volume series)


There's only 4 volumes in the series.

Definitely wouldn't say this is a noir story. Cop going undercover to stop the abuses of mexican day laborers. The story is the only thing that stops this from being true noir. Although it has many noirish aspects. Its almost like saying ANY film can be noir if you dress it right.

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"Important Note: Strictly speaking, film noir is not a genre, but rather the mood, style, point-of-view, or tone of a film. It is also helpful to realize that 'film noir' usually refers to a distinct historical period of film history - the decade of film-making after World War II, similar to the German Expressionism or the French New Wave periods. However, it was labeled as such only after the classic period - early noir film-makers didn't even use the film designation (as they would the labels "western" or "musical"), and were not conscious that their films would be labeled noirs."

Therefore if you are using the "mood, style, point-of-view or tone of a film" as well as time frame approach, Border Incident is most definitely a film noir.

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The thing that sets this movie firmly in the camp of Film Noir, more than anything else, is the shocking and grisly death of the main character and all-around good-guy, Jack Bearnes. That changed the entire tone, mood and point-of-view of the film. Suddenly, we realize that the main character is not the American federal policeman but the Mexican federal policeman, and the movie now has a totally different feel. It feels disorienting, almost as if the camera had turned inside-out or something. Suddenly, it's not an Anglo's view of the world, but a Hispanic's view of the situation that is the focus of the movie. That was a big surprise to me, and it reshaped the entire film, which was more than 3/4 through its film-time by then. It made everything much darker, mood-wise. The fact that Bearnes' friend, Pablo Rodriguez, doesn't manage to save him though he set out to do so adds to the negative feel of it all. He kept hidden rather than try to slink out through the field (on his stomach, if necessary) the way we would have liked him to do (or at least to try). That made him a failed hero. This movie started out as a hopeful story and became one of personal failure, however much Rodriguez did manage to accomplish, and however much the final scene tried to remind us that the operation, as a whole, was eventually successful. Frankly, I didn't believe that final scene; it was spin, not truth. We all know that the border situation wasn't successfully resolved at all, though that scene tried to portray it as utterly resolved, handled, defeated. Therefore, the end was wry. It didn't change the tone of the movie back to that of a victorious tone, merely lied about what the picture actually wrought. For what it is worth, this movie is, in my opinion, *very* Noir.

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Add to what I have already said the fact that, as Rodriguez has found a farmhouse from which to make an emergency telephone call to Bearnes' fellow agents, during the phone call, while the camera has come too close to see anything but Rodriguez as he tells the officials about Bearnes' death and about the illegal operation going on, something surprising is going on. Asked what the address of farmhouse is, Pablo asks the bleached-blonde farm wife (who is anything but a Ma Kettle type) about that address, and she suddenly tells him to hang up, gun in hand. She has turned into a classic femme-fatale type. It turns out that she is the wife of the lieutenant of the illegal bracero operation, Jeff Amboy, and she is as tough as any gun moll.

So, really, this whole picture has turned sideways in a few short minutes, starting with Jack Bearnes' death. The classic fight for life in the "Canyon de los Muertos" [which really should have been "Arroyo de los Muertos" if they were going to use Spanish to describe it, but the fact that they left the first word, "canyon", untranslated in the conversion, after they had already called it the "Canyon of the Dead" (or was it "Canyon of Death"? -- I cannot remember) is typical American mangling of Spanish terms that you'll hear on the American side near the border], especially in the quicksand, where the dead merely disappear, goes a long way to making this Noir, as well. The mood is quite depressing, toward the end. Really, isn't depression and demoralization really what Film Noir is all about?

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Even the "scholarly" commentator on the DVD says this is not really "noir." It's what he calls a "police procedural" or even a "government agency procedural" because it has to do with prosecuting crime. It's definitely a thriller, but not in the same category as what we usually consider "noir." You could even make a case that it's really a western.

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Well, he's wrong. The replies above make the strong case based on the period of the film and the tone, not to mention the blonde wife turning all Ma Parker.

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