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Whitmore Tobacco Chewing


This is a great film, all the way around - it really is.

However, nobody......NOBODY on this man's earth "chews" tobacco like Whitmore does in this film. For the most part, people who "chew" tobacco don't really chew tobacco, in a literal sense. It gets tucked/packed in between the cheek and jaw/teeth, and, large or small "wad", kind of "stays there" until the user is done with it. Oh, a bit of rolling/repositioning may go on now and again, but literally repeatedly chewing it between the teeth reduces the "essence" of it quite quickly - a tobacco "chewer" usually likes to saver the experience for as long as possible. James goes to such efforts to make it SO obvious that he has a "chew" in, and he's so animated when actually chewing it, that it is, to this lone viewer, EXTREMELY distracting.

OK - let me have it, all you "chewer's" out there.








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I usually don't like war movies, butim really enjoying this one. I thought the chewing added to his rough personality. I'm not a chewer so I can't dissect the details of tobacco chewing. It looked authentic to me.

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I believe you're confusing chewing tobacco with dipping tobacco. Dipping tobacco is used as you described, it is packed in between the cheek and the gum and just stays there. This is the kind of smokeless tobacco that most people use today. Chewing tobacco, on the other hand, is literally chewed in the mouth. In fact it must be chewed otherwise the nicotine does not get released. Very few people use actual chewing tobacco anymore. Sometimes it is hard to tell which one a person is using as they both require you to spit periodically, but generally if you can see someone chewing, like Whitmore, they are using "real" chewing tobacco.

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I appreciate your comment, but no, I am not confusing "dipping" snuff with chewing tobacco. While snuff is much finer, and is for the most part almost always placed between the lip and gum, not the cheeck and gum - I know MANY people who do and/or have chewed either one or the other, and other than being larger-cut, and therefore larger in volume, chewing tobacoo still is not "chewed". Again, one may "roll the wad" a bit on occasion, but very little teeth-action chewing is done, especially not with the exageratted open-mouthed jaw action of Mr. Whitmore. I have no doubt that for the sake of authenticity, the decision was made with Whitmore's agreement to have his character "chew" tobacacoo, however it is apparent that no "reality" background research was conducted on actual practice, other than to procure the chew and have him insert and CHEW it.

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A couple of actors that I can think of who "chew" tobacco in movies, who actually know how to chew tobacco(not snuff), are Ben Johnson(I think in "Chisum" and some others), and Harey Carey, Jr. - in Big Jake. No overly-animated, open-jaw action, what-so-ever.

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A couple of actors that I can think of who "chew" tobacco in movies, who actually know how to chew tobacco(not snuff), are Ben Johnson(I think in "Chisum" and some others), and Harey Carey, Jr. - in Big Jake. No overly-animated, open-jaw action, what-so-ever.

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I don't know anything about the finer points (if there is such a thing) of tobacco chewing, but given the vast amount of chew Sgt. Kinnie kept stuffing into his mouth, he'd be ingesting enough nicotine to guarantee a lifetime addiction, and in the long run suffer a long, agonizing and disfiguring death from cancer of the mouth, tongue, throat and probably a few other spots as well. A disgusting habit that kills, and not cleanly. Even as so-called "comic" behavior, the idea that spitting mounds of black gunk mixed with saliva is somehow endearingly funny is stupid and repulsive...as I'm sure all the people who died from chewing most of their lives would have come to realize, at last and too late.

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All true as of today.
Different world in the 1940s.

Yes, the tobacco chewing was bit over the top but it made the point for Kinnie's character.

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Agreed, chewers in the 40s and 50s generally wouldn't have any idea that they were courting cancer, any more than smokers did. (Although in another 1949 movie, A Letter to Three Wives, Kirk Douglas has a line that asks, "Will your cigarettes give you cancer," so obviously there was some hint of the dangers lurking around. Cigarettes were popularly known back then as "coffin nails".)

That aside, there's no question that the habit itself is pretty gross, even if there were no health issue. I doubt anyone really liked the sight of someone spitting that crap out on the sidewalk or in the woods or wherever...or stepping in it afterward!

As for Kinnie's character, the point could have been made a bit more subtly and believably. It was way too over the top.

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Tobacco is undoubtedly dangerous, and I don't smoke or chew it, but the risk is not nearly as great as many assume. The odds of contracting cancer from chewing tobacco, for example, are about 1%. Now, that may be an unacceptable risk to you, but it's far from a guaranteed death sentence.

I love this film, and James Whitmore's portrayal of Sgt. Kinnie is one of its great pleasures. I personally wish he were on screen more, he nearly steals the film (Van Johnson edges him out). I don't mind the over-the-top chewing, it makes it far more memorable than a more "realistic" chewing of tobacco would.

I feel sorry for people who cannot enjoy a film without nit-picking the unrealistic details to death. Now, if it's a dull, turgid or poorly told story, your attention may wander toward noticing all of the details that are off. But a great film like Battleground is too riveting and enjoyable to merit such nit-picking.

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Nothing is a "guaranteed" death sentence, but smoking or chewing are unhealthy habits, regardless of whether you develop cancer from them. Smoking harms your breathing, senses of taste and smell, causes dental problems, leads to greater susceptibility to emphysema, coughing, colds and other respiratory issues, and so forth. I don't know where you got your 1% figure in so far as getting cancer from chewing tobacco goes; I don't have any statistics so cannot comment on its accuracy, but it sounds low to me. Regardless, it unarguably can cause cancer of the mouth and throat and result in having to have one's jaw or teeth or gums or tongue or other areas of the mouth, neck and throat removed surgically, which in most ways is an even more horrible fate than lung cancer. Unless, of course, it kills you outright first.

Whatever the actual odds of getting cancer from chewing, I doubt any of the hundreds of thousands who have suffered from the habit would be cheered by the claim that they only had a 1% chance of contracting cancer. Your attempt to somehow minimize the risks and dangers of tobacco, and ignore its other potential health issues, sounds like something I'd have read in the 1960s, not the 2010s. Tobacco's health dangers are numerous, well-established and high -- whether it's smoked or chewed.

In Kinnie's case, his ludicrous overuse of chew looks like someone begging for mouth cancer. I don't know how realistic that degree of usage is -- it looks exaggerated and ridiculous to me -- but even if one accepts your 1% figure, Kinnie looks a good candidate for that dubious honor.

James Whitmore did do an outstanding job in this, his second film, which is why he received an Oscar nomination for his work. He didn't need the unnecessary over-the-top chewing to turn in a great performance. I disagree about Van Johnson, whom normally I like: I think he was kind of obnoxious and overbearing here, though much of that was the character. His incessant high-pitched cries of things like "Oh, noooo!", in that somewhat gurgly-gravelly voice, really put me off quickly.

I see no problem with criticizing a film about any of its details, large or small. Why do you think a "bad" film can be criticized on such grounds but not a "good" one? That makes no sense. In my view (and I guess some others'), Battleground would have been better without certain faults, such as Kinnie's idiotic over-chewing, which is pointless and stupid. Some amount of it, okay, but not so much that he couldn't go five minutes without a chaw in his mouth. You may disagree with that opinion, and that's fine. But this condescending "I feel sorry for people" stuff is unnecessary and silly. I could equally feel sorry for someone who can't abide legitimate gripes about even a basically good film. But I don't, because you're entitled to be uncritical about things if you choose to be. Those of us who wish to post a critical opinion on some aspect have every right to do so without being talked down to or scolded as though attacking a fault were somehow contemptible.

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Interesting thread.... I see the Whitmore character in a different light, maybe having been in the service leads me to this viewpoint, but... I see him and his exaggerated tobacco chewing and spitting as sort of an homage to all those rough-hewn country boys who served in the Army (the author of this screenplay, Robert Pirosh, himself served in the U.S. Army and saw service during the Battle of the Bulge, and probably knew one or a dozen guys like Kinnie).

I knew at least a few guys in the service who hailed from the wooded hinterlands of America - backwoods of Kentucky, West Virginia, Tennessee, etc. - who were certainly tough enough and ornery enough to chew and spit tobacco any damn way they pleased. Some of those guys were pretty colorful characters.

So I think the Whitmore character is Pirosh's homage to those kinds of guys. Sort of a "Gomer Pyle" in the Army, as it were. Exaggerated and disgusting, maybe, but certainly those guys did and still do exist.

I think what clouds the image of Kinnie over the years is the many decades of anti-tobacco sentiment we've had since WWII, so his tar-spitting character certainly doesn't play as well now. It seems more over-the-top and disgusting, but back then, still in the 1940's when this movie was made, it was probably meant as a comical tribute to those types of "country boys" in uniform.

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The odds of contracting cancer from chewing tobacco, for example, are about 1%
So if I chew once, I have a 1% chance of getting cancer? And if I chew 100 times, do I still have a 1% chance? Or is that a 1% chance every time I chew? Maybe 1% for the "average" user over their lifetime (whatever "average" use is). Ahh...Psuedo-statistics at their best.

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Lighten up, dude!

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If I'm not mistaken, he's chewing plug tobacco, which I don't think has been available for years. We have fine-cut snuff (think, Skoal or Copenhagen) or shredded cut (Red Man or Mail Pouch). I think the plug tobacco was pressed into a brick, and you had to bite off a piece and chew it.



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I used to sell Apple plug and Day's Work plug.

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I was a Brown's Mule man, back in the day.

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Brown's Mule, Now that is a Man's plug. Thanks for bringing back fond memories of a truly great tobacco product. I thought Day's Work was the best until I tried a "chaw" of Brown's Mule. In the day if you were digging ditches or other manual labor in the heat of summer these products gave you the ability to overcome the heat. Strong caffeine in Dark Black Ice Tea helped but not like a boost of nicotine in Brown's Mule which had heavy Black Molasses in the plug. People who have never had to work with their hands in extreme climates in tough situations, don't have the right to judge tobacco users, who are trying to support themselves and their familes.

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You've got that right. I recall my uncle telling me about a man who collapsed and died one day out in the field. They cut him a plug of Brown's Mule, worked his jaws a couple of times for him, and danged if he didn't get right back up and go back to work. Lived another 40 years.

'Least that's how my uncle told it, and you know he wouldn't lie. ;)

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"People who have never had to work with their hands in extreme climates in tough situations, don't have the right to judge tobacco users..."

I've spent most of my life working with my hands in all kinds of climate and situations, and I've never felt any urge or need to use tobacco products. None of the many other guys I worked with did, either. But I'm not judging.

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