Overrated kitsch


Anyone else agree?

I love Powell=Pressburger == one of my favorite films of all time is I KNOW WHERE I'M GOING, but I could never get into THE RED SHOES.


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Afraid not ;-) This is my favourite movie of all time... from the opening titles and music, it just gives me chills down my spine. It's the most beautiful film I have ever seen, and totally the opposite of kitsch in my opinion!

However, we can't all like the same things so if that's the way you feel, that's the way you feel...

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The cinematography and the technicolor make it beautiful to see, but as for enjoying the film, I didn't.

I wouldn't call it kitcsh, but the romance and jealousy therein, well, it did not work for me. (I fell asleep at first viewing, a disclosure I must make).

As for the entire picture, it was well written, acted, directed but it still just does not grab me.

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That's not fair, how can one criticize a movie they haven't seen all the way through?

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Like it or no, I gotta say-- if this gorgeously photographed film is what you classify as kitsch, you have mighty high standards!

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Elaborate on how exactly this film is "kitsch".

Its hardly overrated considering not everyone has seen it, but if you don't like it - you don't, each to their own.

Time rushes by
Love rushes by
Life rushes by
But the Red Shoes stay on

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Time rushes by
Love rushes by
Life rushes by
But the Red Shoes go on


What happens in the end?
Oh, in the end, she dies.

Steve

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And the point you're making there is what exactly?

Time rushes by
Love rushes by
Life rushes by
But the Red Shoes stay on

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I was completing the description of how Lermontov describes the story of The Red Shoes to Julian

Steve

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Right, I was just wondering if you were pointing out about the quote being incorrect or something, theres only a limited number of letters you can fit in the signature.

Time rushes by
Love rushes by
Life rushes by
But the Red Shoes stay on

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"Higher standards?" I doubt that very much. The OP sounds as though
classic film isn't for him/her. As for "kitsch" my version of that
goes to stuff like "Beaches."

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If you think about it, it really is a pretty hackneyed, cliched story, but the reason for the film's timelessness is the exquisite and sophisticated manner in which Powell and Pressburger brought it to life: intelligent and urbane writing, magnificent cinematography (the only film better is their BLACK NARCISSUS), respect for their material and for the world of dance, fine performers (acting or dancing), and an overall grace that lifts an admittedly somewhat trite story into an elegant, dreamlike vision of artistry and love, the inner duel between talent and emotion. A beautifully realized film imbued with a feeling and quality no one could even approach today. It may or may not be to one's personal liking -- we each have our own tastes -- but kitsch? Not even remotely.

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Actually the last line is
But the red shoes dance on. I had to go back and watch that scene again. It is a great film and I love watching it as I can see you do as well.

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Well, if we want to get into cliched hackneyed stories there's always Sunrise, but it Murnau's artistic hands it becomes something great. No, I would not call The Red Shoes kitsch, nor would I call it overrated (a word which applies to Bringing Up Baby or Forrest Gump and the public's bewildering high regard for both of those).

If Red Shoes was the typical cliched triangle, Lermontov's interest in Vicky and reasons for wanting to take her from Julian would've been standard issue romantic or sexual interest in her, which is obviously not the case in this film.

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If you're watching 'Fullscreen' DVDs, you aren't getting the whole picture.

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No, I don't and I think we should take you out behind the school and beat you with ballet shoes!

"A bit of musicality, PLEASE!" Strictly Ballroom

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I'm a dancer and should worship and bow down at this film but quite frankly I find it unappealing. Overall, I find the production visually incoherent. Many of the sets are busy and cluttered. It's hard to know where to look, especially in the crowd scenes. Most of the acting is overdone and the story is contrived. Many of the costumes are also clumsy in the way they look on the actor's bodies as well as the way that they fail to work together as a whole in each scene. For example, and this is a little thing, early in the film Shearer is wearing a white tutu with blue trim and a different colored blue ribbon in her hair that does nothing for her hair and has no relationship at all to the blue trim on the tutu. The ribbon seems like an after thought, but ends up dominating the entire costume. This is just one example, but there are many

The acting reminds me of early silent films or cartoons. I see no chemistry happening between the actors at all, and Shearer's brash, red hair seems to conflict with everything, including her costumes and even her own face. The dancing is awkward, although standards have changed, it's still forced and stiff, except for Massine who transcends the trite, formulaic choreography with the startling honesty and brilliance of his attack.

Don't get me wrong, these are all brilliant artists, it's just that for me it lacks the synthesis of what makes all the elements of a film work together to form a cohesive whole. The whole should be greater than the sum of the parts, but in this case each part in isolation is greater than the sum of the whole.

Is it supposed to be realistic, or is it trying to create an alternate, fantasy world, like the fairy tale it comes from? Is it bringing a fairy tale to life or reducing real life artists to cartoonish, fairy tale clowns?

I would not call it kitsch, but I find the film haphazard and unsettling. If that was the director's intention, he fully succeeded with me.

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If that was the director's intention, he fully succeeded with me.
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I'm fairly sure that this is his intention. Those colours are even more jarring in the Blu-ray.

There is something distinctly 'off' in all of P&P's films but it is at its most apparent in the Red Shoes.

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I'm impressed by your thoughtful post. I disagree with a lot of it (and those points come down to simply having a different opinion than yours, rather than thinking you're "wrong"). But it's always a joy to find considered, detailed defenses of a personal POV, and I just wanted to thank you for it.

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When this film was first released it got a lot of good reviews from a lot of people in the ballet world. Then, as it became very popular their reviews seemed to change and they started dismissing it. I just tell people to remember that the dancers were professional dancers not actors pretending to dance. The choreography was also done by professional dancers and choreographers.

What the film-makers were doing here was to create a new art form, the filmic ballet ("The Red Shoes Ballet: A Critical Study" by: Monk Gibbon, 1948). They weren't trying to just film a ballet on stage, anyone can do that. What they did here was to show what the dancer is thinking & feeling as she dances

Steve

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I can respect your opinion since you are not on this board to make bad comments without explanation. I think some of your comments don't represent the average viewer since many people who view the movie are not experts on ballet (or perhaps I should say working in the industry).

I know nothing about stiff movements or proper costumes for a ballet. I simply see a movie about ballet. All of the movements appear nice to me. You made no comments about the story itself which is where I was mainly interested. I also realized when I watched it that I am watching a movie from 1948, so costumes, personalities, filming technology, etc etc etc is perhaps out of date. Your comments about the characters appearing "cartoonish" seems to me to be as though you are using modern twenty-first century style as a standard to hold characters in the year 1948 but I could be wrong.

I thought the story was excellent and the ballet itself was very beautiful and interesting as a vintage appearance it provides. Perhaps this movie could be redone with modern technology, acting, and expertise from the ballet industry, but I think something special would probably be lost like what has occurred on many other remakes of old movies.

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I can't comment on other films by these directors, but I do agree that this is kitch, and I couldn't get into it either. I'm astonished that this currently gets an 8.2 on IMDb, when so many other films of that year are better but rated worse, including A Foreign Affair, The Snake Pit, and I'm sure quite a few others I haven't seen.

Kitch: an inferior tasteless copy, a worthless imitation, cheap mass-produced objects, aesthetically deficient, excessive sentimentality, executed to pander to popular demand alone and purely for commercial purposes, unsubstantial and gaudy

The best example of this is The Red Shoes ballet itself within the film. Rather than simply presenting the ballet as it would be, a number of cinematic effects and unnecessary clumsy edits (even in simple dance steps) are used to emphasize the story. If anyone on the stage can actually dance ballet for longer than 10 seconds at a time, it's not at all clear to the viewer. The special effects, such as the shoes magically being put on Victoria's feet, are just embarrassing, and prove that if you can't do it right, don't do it.

All of the characters are paper-thin -- barely even one-dimensional. It's astonishing and annoying that the film takes so long to tell us all a story we've seen so many, many, many times before.

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I couldn't agree more. I can't believe how long it took to tell the story. It feels like a very long movie (and this is coming from someone who loves The Best of Youth).

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