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(1) Bond servants, really? / (2) What period of history?


(1) Did American really have "bond servants"? What was a bond servant exactly? As portrayed in the movie, when someone dies in debt, as Loretta Young's father does, their daughter can be made into a servant to pay the debt, and she can be bought and sold to others. It looks like slavery, pure and simple, except that maybe it doesn't last for life and isn't passed on through the generations. I wonder where I can find information on the legalities of bond servitude in frontier America?

(2) The movie takes place during pioneer days. Because of the song Jim sings at the beginning of the movie, I believe we're to believe that it's in Ohio. However, according to Wikipedia, the Pawnee were a people of the Great Plains, living "along outlying tributaries of the Missouri River: the Platte, Loup and Republican rivers in present-day Nebraska and in northern Kansas." What years would Ohio still be in such an unsettled state, with pioneers "in deep woods" and remote cabins subject to attacks by "Pawnees"?

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Bond servitude existed alongside slavery and beyond. The only difference was that with bond servitude, you sold yourself; pay off debts or passage to the new world. The maximum term was 7 years. Sometimes bond servants worked alongside slaves. Ironically, slave were treated better than bond servants; a slave was a long term investment; with a bond servant, you wanted to get your money's worth before the 7 years were up. Many immigrants to the USA sold themselves to pay for passage; many were Irish, fleeing from a terrible famine. Another movie in which a bonds woman plays a major role is "The Kentuckian" starring Burt Lancaster and Diane Foster as the bonds woman. I don't recall Hollywood ever making a movie about a bonds man. I guess it was far more appealing to imagine a world where you could buy Loretta Young.

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Thank you. Very enlightening. I wish the movie had thrown in a word or two about these conditions, especially the 7-year maximum term. It would have helped my understanding. In a way, taking it all for granted is slightly more horrible, as if maybe even today it might be OK to deal with debts that way.

Doesn't the boy at one point refer to the woman as a "slave woman"?

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During the period of servitude, there was no difference between a slave and bonds person. Both served without a salary. I think it would be a good philosophical discussion whether a human should be allowed to sell themselves for money. Prostitution is very similar to this except that you buy a prostitute only for her sexual work.

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I don't really agree that any explanation was necessary. If I'm remembering my history correctly, indentured servitude did not die out in America until the enactment of the 13th amendment in 1865. This movie was made in 1949. I would think that the idea of 'bond servants' would still be fresh enough in the general public's memory that no explanation would be needed.

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Ironically, slaves were treated better than bond servants; a slave was a long term investment; with a bond servant, you wanted to get your money's worth before the 7 years were up.

Fascinating. Thanks for all the info. I keep missing the beginning of this film when it's on, so I didn't know if they covered any general information about bond servants or not.


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I had never heard of "bond servants" until I saw this movie. I have read about indentured servants getting their passage paid from Europe to America with the agreement that they worked for seven years for the person who paid their passage.

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I know this is 7 months late, but re: your question #2, I'm almost positive they said the tribe were "Shawnee," not "Pawnee." The Shawnee did live in Ohio.

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I heard "Shawnee," as well.


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Just watched it on TCM - it was Shawnee.

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I believe we're to believe that it's in Ohio. However, according to Wikipedia, the Pawnee were a people of the Great Plains, living "along outlying tributaries of the Missouri River: the Platte, Loup and Republican rivers in present-day Nebraska and in northern Kansas."

The Indians in this movie are Shawnee, not Pawnee. The Shawnee were found in the Ohio Valley, as well as surrounding areas.

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Something else about indentured servitude that many are not aware of...The British Crown took the Irish from poorhouses and sold them into forced indentured servitude. My many times great grandfather was sold to a wheelwright in Boston MA. to pay off his debt to the poorhouse he lived in at, the age of 10. Due to his age, his length of service was 12 years. He was released from bond and started his own business as wheelwright and cart maker for the City of Boston. A business my family stayed in until the early 1920's.

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Pardon my lack of grammar, please. I wanted to fit a statement into the subject line.

Ohio became a new state of the Union in 1803, established in the Northwest Territory. Access to the Northwest Territory had been granted as part of the Treaty of Paris (1783) that ended the American Revolutionary War. The British dragged their feet in abandoning their forts in the Ohio Valley. They also supported the tribes there and encouraged them to resist encroachment on their lands by Americans.

By 1810 to 1812 the Shawnee followed Tecumseh and his brother Tenskwatawa in fighting against the Americans. They allied with the British and Canadians during the War of 1812. This led to the death of Tecumseh in 1813 and breaking of the Shawnee, forcing them out of the Ohio Valley by the end of that war.

So, the events in the movie must take place within a ten-year period between 1803 and 1813.

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OK, thank you for that.

Having just recently read "Masters of Empire: Great Lakes Indians and the Making of America" by Michael A. McDonnell (a great read!), I'd like to add a little Native context to what you've said. At the end of the American Revolutionary War, the British "gave" the Ohio Valley to the Americans, without consulting any of the indigenous peoples. For some time it had been native territory, free of colonial (pre-"American") settlers. When settler encroachments started, indigenous people resisted firmly, resulting in an agreement (forgot the date and name of the agreement, but I could find it) that settlers would remove themselves from the area, which they did. At the end of the Revolutionary War, the indigenous people felt deeply betrayed by the British and naturally resisted American settlers by raiding them. They had never ceded sovereignty to the British or French——on the contrary, Europeans had always been allowed into the upper Great Lakes and Ohio Valley area only by the good graces of the natives——so it was shocking and unacceptable for them to find their lands "given" by the British to the Americans. They eventually were forced to abandon the fight (with the exception of the Anishinabeq centred at Michilimackinac) because of the overwhelming numbers of American settlers, supported by powerful armies, flooding into the area. So I wouldn't make too much of the idea that the British were behind the resistance of the indigenous nations.

Are you saying that the "Pawnees" mentioned in the movie, which puzzled me- are the same as the Shawnees that you describe?

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There have been a few recent additions to scholarship on the War of 1812 in recent years. Histories from tribal people and Canada are becoming more popular in America, though I remain an ardent patriot and staunch American Chauvinist. ;) Still, I try not to let that blind me to other points of view.

No, I did not mean to further confuse Shawnees and Pawnees. They are definitely different tribes and I hope I did not confuse them. The experience of the various tribes in the Ohio Valley were similar to other tribes east of the Mississippi River in the United States. Many of them were forced to choose sides, or elected to do so in the Seven Years War, the American Revolution, and the War of 1812. It usually made things worse for them in the long run no matter which side they chose.

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Another film is "Unconquered" from 1947 featuring vixen Paulette Goddard as an indentured servant in the 1700s. Also starring John Wayne.

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