Horses


Robert Osborne said at the beginning (on TCM) that you could see what NY looked like 59 years ago. Were there still horse carts in the street in 1948? When did the horse stop doing deliveries in NYC?

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I am a native New Yorker (as were both of my parents) born in 1953, six years after the film was completed. I have memories of a junkman and a cutlery sharpener having their carts pulled by horses. This was on the "Upper East Side" (if that means anything to anyone) before it became the "UPPER EAST SIDE." We still had an elevated subway and a brewery in the neighborhood.

I miss that New York.

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I'm just a casual viewer from Belgium and I was wondering the same thing when the horse-cart passed by. Great movie. What happened to the tennis courts next to the bridge?

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Growing up in Chicago during the 40's and 50's was probably very similiar to growing up in New York with a few exceptions.

I can recall the Ragmen on their wagons being pulled by several horse's yelling Rags For Sale, also the fruit peddlers using similiar wagons being pulled by horses. Sissor shapeners would come down the street pulling/pushing a big 2 wheeled cart with bid shapening wheels on it, they had a melodic ding/dong bell sound when coming down the street.

The metal street car rails in the pavement, in the summer all of the kids opening up the fire hydrants allowing the cool cool water to cascade out of the hydrants onto them and unsuspecting motorists passing by. Even though my eyes saw all the things in color back then, they still come back in my memory in black and white images.....Wish I could re-visit those times again...

The streets and neighborhoods of Chicago, as I am sure as in New York had a "certain" friendly smell to them. People were of course much more friendly, life was simplier back then. Each street had it's old buildings, corner stores, selling dry goods, mom and pop grocery/delicatessen's. The neighborhood taverns, which had a musty alcohol smell eminating from them.

Your neighbor's would report to your mom and dad if you misbehaved, sometimes even giving you a slight but gentle kick in the behind. One had to be home when the streetlights came on a dusk. When you wanted to play with your friends, you stood out in front of their house and yelled "Yo Ted, Yo Earnie"

These are the images I think of when I see the old film noir movies like The Naked Gun. The street scene's in this movie are PRICELESS. Sadly those days and people are gone and soon those from my generation will be gone, but these movies will live forver, and will always keep the images of this period of time available to all. I just had to buy the DVD of this movie. Thank you for this opportunity to write these memories.

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We used to have peddlars (knife and scissor sharpeners, for example)passing through streets in Brooklyn and Queens, with their cart pulled by a horse, in the 1960s. Not at all so common, as they'd draw a small crowd of us kids if it happened to be a summer or non-school day. You'd hear the slow jingle-jangle of the bell perched atop the cart as the horse slowly made his way down the block.
The tennis courts are still there, covered over by tents nowadays, so they can be utilized 24 hours a day/365 days a year.

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In Toronto suburb we have an old guy in a panel van driving slowly around the neighborhood jangling his bell, grinding wheel setup out the back door. I guess he remembers the old days (must have been a common trade everywhere) and it's something to do in retirement.

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I grew up in NYC during that time period, on 22nd Street in Manhattan. Down on the corner of 8th Ave. there was an Abbott Baking Co that turned out sliced white bread in two pound loaves wrapped in wax paper. They used horse-drawn delivery carts with a huge "ABC" logo - this was 1948. City employees with garbage cans on wheels would come around and sweep up the manure.

deville2's memories are the same as mine, plus the Ice Man and his pushcart during the summer. Not many had refrigerators then just ice boxes. (One of my chores was to dump the pan of water that was under the "fridge" every couple of hours.) The guy would come to our neighborhood and yell "ICE!" Every kid, including me, would race over to him and get in line. When somebody would yell out they wanted 25c/50c worth of ice, he cut out a chunk, hand the lead kid a burlap sack for his shoulder and then place the ice on it. The kid would then deliver it up 5-6 flights of stairs and get a 5c tip or if there was a Big Spender, 10c. On a hot day we could make up to 50c - and we thought we were Gods. Sodas were a nickle and burgers a dime then and movies ran a whopping 20c.

Good times, good times. Wish I could go back.

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I saw horse carts in New York even in the 1950s. The last I recall was in the Bronx pulling the wagon of the man who would sharpen your kitchen knives and scissors. The horse would clop down Valentine Avenue, the man would stop and ring a bell, and folks would bring their cutlery down from their apartments to be sharpened.

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Grew up in Pgh. but my mother's from Brooklyn. Remember seeing horse-drawn fruit/vegetable carts in Fort Greene and Park Slope through the late 60s. Also Italian organ grinders with monkeys!
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I was born in '52 and lived in Brooklyn. We had horse carts delivering fruit, sharpening services,Gevelle(bleach) and the junk man etc until the early 60's. Each had their own cry Aaaaeee bonnanooooh. The junk man would take pretty much anything. He said something that sounded like "Pick up your old junk" but came out "Ayee uoooo yooooooljuuuuuuuuu" The gevelle guys eventually got a truck, but you had to recycle the glass jugs, which I believe started out as gallon wine bottles.

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