Nobody likes it? spoilers


I watched it and didn't hate it. I liked the story line.
I couldn't understand why the father (Tracy) favored the boy over the daughter, when the boy wasn't even his own child.

I left the room briefly, and I didn't realize the wife conceived a child with another man until I came here and caught up on what I missed. Did the town folk know right off, or did it take years for them to figure it out?

Why she didn't marry Brice and at least have a good life with him instead of aging alone, instead of being lonely and pining for her kids.

At the end, it's clear that despite trying to keep up appearances, everyone knew the truth anyway.

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I'm not sure if the townspeople knew right away, but I think the woman who assisted with the birth told people what Lutie had said during labor, and word spread. And I didn't understand either why Jim favored the boy after he found out it wasn't his.

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What did Lutie say during her labor? Do tell! I missed it.

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We never hear what Lutie said, but when the doctor and assistant came out of the bedroom, the doctor admonishes her (the woman assisting with the birth) not to repeat what Lutie said while she was in labor. He then told Jim that women often say strange things when they're delivering, and by the looks on all faces involved, we can infer that Lutie must've confessed the baby was Brice's.

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Thank you!

Now I have to watch it again much more carefully, if it ever comes back on.

I appreciate that you filled me in. :)

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Glad I could help. :)

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I didn't like it at all.

It is interesting, but not pleasing, to see Kate Hepburn playing that kind of role, and she plays it to the hilt, like a good soldier. I don't know if she actually bats her eyelashes in the first scenes, but there is plenty of sighing and sobbing and etcetera, etcetera. When the movie---finally---approaches its end, her daughter is grown and lo and behold, she acts the same way. It's the same way female characters mainly acted, by and large, in most movies: putting their hand to their throat, dabbing at the corner of their eyes, showing a hint of a smile, all at appropriate moments. It's the way it was done, by Bette Davis and many others, and I do not mean to take a thing away from Bette Davis or from anyone. Hepburn does it here, as I say, quite well. In the beginning of the movie, she is radiantly beautiful in a different manner than she usually is. Ultra-feminine with no sharp edge.

Spencer Tracy, whether sleepwalking (as another poster says) or not, acts virtually the same in almost every scene and his constant flat, expressionless responses to his wife are appalling. That his wife winds up blaming herself for not being strong enough to tolerate him is also appalling. My feeling watching the movie was, at several points, "Oh, No, they're not going to get into showing us all THAT?" (Such as the grown children and their fates, after we've already gone through the "Giant"-like arrival of the greenhorn wife in cattle country, her attempts to reach out to the neighbors, bad weather, the nesters and the fences, and all else that goes before.) The movie is too long. "Giant" pulled it off; this one doesn't.

Good performances all around (minus Tracy, for me) don't save this tedious film.

So that's to the general point of this post that "nobody likes it."

As for the specific point about the child: every single time Tracy and Hepburn engage in what passes, between them, as an embrace, they kind of hug and pat each other on the back, and she puts her head on his shoulder. There is only one kiss in the movie, and it is between Hepburn and her lover, Chamberlain.

I didn't pick up on Brock's parentage in the birth scene with the people at the bedroom door. In later scenes, when Chamberlain and Hepburn are talking together, and (many) other things have happened and been said, it became clear to me by inference what the situation was.

I think the movie is worth seeing, but look out, it's a rough ride.

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These acting mannerisms didn't come out of nowhere. Women in real life in previous generations were groomed through girlhood to be "ladylike" and live a life of class -- not at all the macho gelding-makers of today. They weren't restrained in showing "femininity", and nurturing instincts and emoting were encouraged. My mother, born 1929, showed some of this maybe-affected ladylike restraint and I wish to God it had survived in place of the trend to drama queens and bridezillas screeching like banshees. Real men, too, were far more "correct" in real life.

However, over-the-top-demonstrative acting died out with the silents, c. 1929, and from 1908-09 was already being diluted for realism by directors like D W Griffith -- see the brilliant acting by leads like Mae Marsh in "Birth of a Nation" (1915).

Having said that, there were many signals of natural body language conveyed to the stage and screen as short-hand conventions for better or worse. The older I get I find the stylized performances (though short of Kabuki Theatre) of, say, Film Noir, more appealing than watching actors said to be the ultimate in reality, a.k.a. walking through a role.

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It was too long. Many of the sequences at the end of the film regarding the adult Brock were unnecessary, although the Brock story was pivotal in the reconciliation of Lutie and Jim. Some parts of it, like the sequences showing the many different sides of the adult Brock were amateurish. It's always risky to introduce major characters such as the adult children near the end of the film. As for Tracy, he was never a very emotive actor. His best roles always involved understatement.

That said, the movie satisfies as a sweeping epic. A lot of that has to do with the background character actors such as Edgar Buchanan who played their roles well. I would also love to know where they got pictures of those immense flowing grasslands and if such areas still exist today.

If you happen to run across it, it's worth viewing.

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Filmed in north central Nebraska, western New Mexico, and Navajo country in Arizona (info on IMDB). There still exist National Grasslands, here and there.

I completely agree with you about Tracy, but I don't see that it worked in Sea of Grass---mainly because he has nothing to play off of; there is little meaning to it, for me, except that he is dour and mean (for his own reasons, which are gone over in the movie). The stern Spencer was outstanding, in that way, in Bad Day at Black Rock, for example, his demeanor effectively reinforcing the points being made by the script. In that one, you understand why he feels what he feels and does what he does, and you agree with him. He evinces a steady, restrained emotion. For me in Sea of Grass, he evinces nothing.

The Spencer who is not uniformly stern shines in many places that are well known. A tad lesser known film where he goes through his full range is Inherit the Wind, in which he plays Clarence Darrow.

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I suffered through most of this much too long soap opera and then missed a part right before the final shootout. What happened to Chamberlain? Did Brock shoot him before he ran away and was killed by the posse? I didn't see him again and thought he should at least be at his son's funeral.
Although I generally admire Katharine Hepburn's acting, I never bought that she was a young clueless girl from Missouri.

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Nothing happened to the idealistic pain in the a** Chamberlain though he most certainly deserved a comeuppance. He, and rightly so, narrates at the end of the movie that Tracy's character had been right all along about how trying to farm at 7000 feet was an epic fail. He just grows old alone. As for Lutie, she goes back to Jim at the urging of their daughter and assumedly live happily ever after.
KS

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