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Just how dated is this movie?


The usual refrain from most current film critics is that "Gentleman's Agreement," while a gripping commentary on anti-semitism in American during the post-War II era, no longer either accurately reflects society's prevailing attitude towards American Jewry nor that sub-group's socio-economic status.

But has anti-semitism receded into the dustbin of American life or has it merely become dormant, ready to resurface given the right circumstances? And has American Jewry become fully accepted as an equal, contributing segment of society or is it simply benefiting from the greater animus directed towards blacks and Latinos?

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The touchstone of racial attitudes is intermarriage.

When two communities are living side by side, if they are interrelating in any kind of a normal way then boy meets girl. Nowadays, the country club antisemitism described in this film is so dead that Jewish-American numbers are threatened more by intermarriage and assimilation than anything else.

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I'm 45, so I grew up with the view that Jewish-Americans have always been thoroughly assimilated, well-educated, upper-income whites, whose religion was more or less either accidental or discretionary. Politically, while they tend to vote solidly Democratic, their counsel is sought from every spectrum, right and left. "Gentleman's Agreement" almost comes off as a treatise of life on a different PLANET, much less the United States. It demands all the imagination one can muster to give the plot serious consideration. Then again, it wasn't all that long ago that African-Americans were denied seating at a standard lunch counter, an indignity that no black person would ever tolerate today, law or not. The book, "Some of My Best Friends. . . ", which was published in 1962, was in large measure an expose on residential housing discrimination against Jewish-Americans.

So, . . . what collapsed first? Housing discrimation or "country club"
anti-semitism?

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It also depends on what part of the country you're talking about.

Being a Jew in New York City today, for instance is no big deal.

But in Alabama, where I live, religious minorities have been traditionally pushed to the fringes of society. They just really don't fit into the whole structure of the Old South. I grew up Catholic in an overwhelmingly Protestant town. There were a few religious nuts here and there, a couple Papist jokes I overheard, a well as plenty of very old Southerners that won't change their skewed worldview until they finally die out. Mostly, though, I was just seen as an anomaly--never much worse than that. The few Jewish kids I knew in the area pretty much put up with the exact same thing. This has been changing, though, as travel and transfer of information become easier, new generations are coming to realize that Alabama isn't the only place in the world.

My brother lived in New York for a few years, and he mentioned a lot of problems about housing discrimination. Landlords belonging to certain ethnic groups tradtionally situated within a particular neighborhood would publish ads for new apartments only in their own newspapers, and usually in their own group's language. The Hasidic Jewish community on the Lower East Side has been accused of doing this, as well as a few Polish and Italian neighborhoods. This is probably both to preserve the ethnic character of the neighborhood as much as it is to keep out minorities or other outsiders. Either way, it works. It's almost impossible to find a reasonably priced apartment in Manhattan or northern Brooklyn today.

So, to answer your question: Based on my experience, no, Anti-Semitism and discrimination is not nearly as bad anywhere in America as it probably was sixty years ago, but it's a lot worse in some places than others, and it still exists practically everywhere.

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Though the film may be a testament from a forgotten era, one can still ascertain wisdom and insight from this celluloid time-capsule.

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Movie is dated. Values/morals/issues aren't, really.

But I think a lot of critics mistake the movie's occasional clumsiness for old age. Some of the scenes feel like a stretch, even for 58 years ago. But if you consider Dante's phrasing - "the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality" - it's still cogent in light of other civil rights issues. Like interracial marriage or even homosexuality. The thing is, the movie was made pretty close to the end for the kind of upper-crust anti-Semitic discrimination in the USA. More information about the persecution of Jews in concentration camps and the Zionist movement took the public's attention, eroding some of the old prejudices. I think.

It's not just against anti-Semitism but about people who, even when they're shocked and disgusted, refuse to take action for their beliefs.

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Anybody seriously think prejudice is dead in the United States? Or Canada (which is where I live)?

Just look around in a cafe where the cheapest entry is 35 dollars, and see who's there.

What are teenage movies about? Watch a walk to Remember which is far above average, but points out almost the same thing as Gentleman's Agreement.

And if that is not enough, consider what hatreds will erupt should a major economic downturn occurs.

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I'm Jewish and grew up in Connecticut, where the movie takes place, and I have never found it to be dated at all. Some of the things that happen in the movie aren't happening anymore, but the attitudes seem very realistic to me. I like the way that the subtelty of prejudice is shown. Not all prejudice is direct, and I think that movie does a good job showing that.

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I watched the first episode of "The West Wing" the other day, and there's a scene where three Christian activists meet with Toby Ziegler, C. J. Cregg, and Josh Lyman to insist on an agenda for a radio talk. One of them makes an oblique remark - "a New York sense of humor" - which seems painless at the moment (since I'm not from New York), but Josh returns with "I'm from Connecticut", and Toby Ziegler stops the conversation cold with the rebuttal that what she means is it's "Jewish". The gravity of this scene was lost on me until I started watching this movie. So the rawness of anti-Semitism in this enlightened country of ours never has gone away...

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Kodanuki, your story is also proof that this movie is still helping to people to understand, since it gave you a new understanding of the scene on the tv show. I think that our country has a long way to go as far as being enlightened.

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What interesting comments. I too am Jewish married to a devot practicing Baptist. We have our moments. I believe that though prejudice is alive and well, the movie would be a flop. People cannot move 1 cm to the left in their thinking. It would have to be about someone from Lebenon and then they would say "Oh but I would never do that".


By the way, I live in a community of 600 with an outlying area of several thousand. I'm the only Jewish person for many miles. I can assure you that anti semetism is alive and thriving.

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I live in Palm Beach County, Florida. It is the only county, outside NYC, that is 50% Jewish. Everywhere else in the US it is more like 5% Jewish or less. Plus the Jews down here are mostly VERY affluent. And you know what? There are STILL country clubs and hotels that have gentleman's agreements. People still tell anti-semitic jokes and throw stereotypes around. You could remake this film today and it would have a huge impact. Especially the part about how not protesting things like that is as bad as vocally supporting them.

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CClio, yes that part is very good.

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Worldwide, I guess there's been three waves of what we call "antisemitism". The first one was the religious antisemitism of Christian Europe that was pretty much killed by the Enlightenment and which never really took hold in the U.S. The second was the economic and racial antisemitism of the nineteenth century, which climaxed in the Holocaust of World War Two. Again, this country was spared the worst effects of that (aside from jokes, discrimination and a few random murders . . .). The third wave is the current one, mostly inspired by muslims who hate Israel. Its long-term repercussions remain to be seen.

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Excellent point. Bigotry towards any minority or subgroup is intolerable, but so easy to gloss over as a problem displayed by a few jerks.

The most accurate scene was with Dave and Kathy at the end. She did not know how to deal with an ugly joke (complete with derogatory ethnic slurs), and felt uncomfortable with how she behaved. She finally learns that fighting back gives one a sense of strength.

Of course the movie is quite dated, and we can walk away mumbling, "Problem solved. No one is mean to Jews anymore. We don't have restricted hotels, and I have not heard the word yid in decades, if ever. This is just a historical piece." Wrong. We are treating Islamic, Gays, etc. the same way, and feeling it is justifiable.

"When you throw dirt, you lose ground" --old proverb

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Pickfair 86: I agree with you completely. I, too, just watched GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT for the first time. It is obvious to me that the film is an indictment not of blatant anti-semitism (there is little of that shown) but of "good people" who are passive, who fail to work for a more just society (and this, if I'm not mistaken, is what Jewish people in general see as one of their main duties in life). As for the movie's being "dated," one could, in one's mind, substitute ANY ethnic, racial, or religious group for the Jewish one shown in this movie and still feel the truth of its message.

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Whilst a little contrived at times i thought the movie was very good. it must have been quite brave and a real eye-opener in 1947.

the best thing about it is the journey which peck's girlfriend is forced to travel. the movie becomes timeless because it challenges one to stand up to prejudice and speak out. it confronts a very contemporary issue in fact; disapproving of something and yet saying and doing nothing on a personal level.

oh, and the acting is uniformly excellent.

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Perhaps with Mel Gibson's recent tirade, it's probably not a bad time for IMDB to put this very good movie on their "IMDb Movie of the Day" section.

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"Plus the Jews down here are mostly VERY affluent."

How DARE you! Next you'll be saying that Asians are poor drivers and Baptists don't make love standing up because they're afraid people will think they're DANCING! Imagine a world where the best players in the NHL aren't black, and men leave the toilet seat up! The horror! The horror!



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As some other posters above have mentioned, I think that this movie remains bold and relevant today. My praise/criticisms of the acting, dialogue, and Hollywood conventions belong on another thread, but I think that aside from all that, this is a fantastic movie because it indicts the passive prejudice that still moves mountains in this country, or keeps them from being moved. I must admit that I see more in it than just anti-Semitism, but homophobia and racism as well (if not more so), but that only makes it all the more resonant. It's what makes this a singular movie. The filthy face of bigotry is frequently (if effectively) portrayed in such films as In the Heat of the Night and Philadelphia, yet films that deal with the unexpected occurences of social injustice in the MODERN day (even in diluted or compromised form, such as Crash) are so few and far between that I am hard-pressed to come up with effective examples.

I have seen the kind of subtle, ingrained prejudice and tolerance of intolerance against a wealth of different minorities in daily life, and I never would have thought that even a film made in the present day, let alone Hollywood's Golden Age, would assault the truly insidious form of this affliction. I am very glad to have been mistaken.

Just us, the cameras, and those wonderful people out there in the dark!

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I live in Charlotte, NC, in the "New South". This is a place that takes religion and religious freedom quite seriously. There are so many transplants here, and so many of them from New York, that anybody with a brain, regardless of their prejudices, avoids anti-minority humor or comments when in "mixed" company.

Thus, I was stunned when a prospective client of my business, just last week, said to me, during a friendly negotiation over my fee: "I'm not trying to Jew you down." Pretty pathetic, especially in light of the fact that I am a Jew, which I'm fairly certain she didn't realize. Especially surprising was that this woman was a sales executive in the real-estate field, and really should have been on guard about such remarks.

Like Kathy in the movie, I didn't challenge her on the comment, partly because I hadn't yet closed the sale, and partly because I could tell (from what I had learned about her) that she was a fundamentally good person, just a product of her age (67) and rural Southern roots, speaking out of ignorance.

Fortunately, I've heard that expression (from Gentiles) only a few times in my 51 years, but I guess it's one sign that those old stereotypes are still in play -- and not just by real anti-Semites (e.g., the Gibsons) but by otherwise decent, fair-minded people.

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"I'm not trying to Jew you down."

I could tell (from what I had learned about her) that she was a fundamentally good person, just a product of her age (67) and rural Southern roots, speaking out of ignorance.


I've heard that expression as well. It was from an ex co-worker, who called herself very Christian and she was in her thirties. She was a good person, but ultimately very naive about a lot of things.

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I had an experience just over a year ago which could have come straight out of this film. I have a Ph.D. in history and had been applying for teaching positions for several years with no success. Finally, as an experiment I removed the fact that I speak Yiddish from my C.V. and I got the first job that I applied for after that. Of course I will never know if the other departments rejected my application because they suspected I am Jewish, but it makes me feel disturbingly like Elaine Wales.

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Wow. It's crazy that, in this day and age, that may still happening, especially with hirings at universities.

When I was an undergrad, I was a member of the student chapter of the National Association of Black Journalists (which already confused the heck out of some people because I'm really fair). I asked one of the guys who was running my journalism program if I should keep it on my resume because it would lead to discrimination. He said there are certain things that you can't or shouldn't hide. For example, if someone is named Mary, they're going to know that person is female. He said it was better to leave it on the resume. It's better to get cut early than to get a job at a company that displays such prejudicial attitudes.

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It's not dated in that the thought expressed are relevant to many types of discrimination.

Anti-semitism in the US is obviously very different now to then.

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I would argue that this thread has become dated, since anti-semitism has seen quite a resurgence since 2005.

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Very dated. Shallow towards anti-semitism, completely boring... paid a bad tribute to justice.

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