I had no idea...


Speaking as someone from England, I didn't realise there had ever been an anti-semitic feeling in America. Have things changed in the last sixty years or am I just spectacularly misinformed?
I was thinking that a lot of the Jews in America at that time would have been refugees from Europe so this might be more of an anti-immigrant thing and that the Jewish community were just a scapegoat.
Could somebody fill me in on this period of history?

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There was at least as much antisemitism in America 60 years ago as there was in England. My father-in-law changed his name -- just as you saw in the movie -- in order to avoid the quota that limited the number of Jews who could attend university. Many prominent Americans, including Henry Ford and Lindbergh, had openly supported Hitler before WWII. Antisemitism was also a factor in America's decision to close its borders to those fleeing the war in Europe: See the movie "Voyage of the Damned" for the most famous example.

Things have changed: it would now be illegal to restrict land ownership, tenancy, employment or a public accomodation like a hotel on the basis of race, religion or national origin.

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I agree, it was a very different world--people were openly excluded from country clubs and hotels, apartments and the like.
It's hard for many of us to imagine how that must have been.
What you say is so true. excellent post.






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Charles Lindbergh NEVER supported Hitler! He was an isolationist who wanted to keep the US out of WWII. His position on intervention in Europe may have been the same as that of the Germans: Both wanted no US involvement in Europe. But to say he "openly supported Hitler" is a base lie! I want my toilet to flush properly and Hitler wanted his toilet to flush properly. Does this sentiment I share with Hitler make me a Nazi??? Have a clue about the facts before you libel people!



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Lindbergh toured Nazi Germany before the war and praised many aspects of Hitler's Germany. Saying he "openly supported Hitler" makes it sound like Lindbergh supported German war aims, which is definitely misleading.

But to minimize Lindbergh's attitudes toward Nazi Germany by saying he was just an isolationist is also misleading.

And your analogy about Hitler's support of properly flushing toilets is absurd.

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I've done a lot of reading about the '30s and the years leading up to the war. FDR once said to one of his aides -- he certainly couldn't say it in public -- that no matter what anyone said, he believed Lindbergh was a Nazi.

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http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970203517304574306273071958760

excerpt:

". . . or the ineradicably squalid image of this briefly golden hero who would, not long after that pioneering flight, become one of the country’s foremost proponents of racist ideology, particularly impassioned in arguments that the white race must be preserved, unsullied. He was a vocal admirer of Hitler’s Germany—in particular, of the glories of its social order, efficiency and devotion to the ideals of race purity. Though he would never allow, the length of his life, that there might be any reason for him to regret his bedazzled regard for the Nazis—a regard still apparently so tender, after the war, that he found the Nuremberg war crimes trials intolerable: a proof, as he announced at the time, of America’s vengefulness against Germany he came, in his later years, to a seeming broader view on other matters. He became an enthusiastic visitor to Africa, interested in indigenous tribes, even as he was becoming less enthusiastic about aviation, once his life’s passion. He had become a kind of true believer now in the faith that machines were destroyers—enemies of the natural world."

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Although anti immigrant sentiment was part of the problem for Jews in America, tragically anti-semitic behavior goes back a lot further. In fact it came over from Europe with the very first settlers who are history books tell us were fleeing religious intolerance, but truthfully were just looking to set up there own brand of it. Well into the 20th century it was still perfectly legal to have restricted clubs, restaurants, public swimming pools, and even neighborhoods. Darian Connecticut (the community mentioned in the movie where Kathy's cottage is located) was famously restricted. WASPs could buy homes there secure in the knowledge that Jews, Catholics, and especially anyone with different skin colors, would not be able to by homes in their little corner of Paradise. In the play "Auntie Mame" the title character refers to this mindset as turning someone into "an Aryan from Darian." It took rulings from the Supreme Court to overturn most of these regulations, though many anti-semitic organizations continued to find ways around it using many of the semantic euphemisms you saw in the film (ie: We're looking to hire people who fit in with the perception/type/class that our customers expect.) It's better now, but not perfect. Mel Gibson may have been ostracized for being publicly anti-semitic, but he expressed those opinions more subtly for years without anyone batting an eyelash. Another good film that might give you an idea of the strange pervasiveness of this less than great time in our past is "Liberty Heights" which is about a Jewish family in early 60's America

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Excellent Post! Pretty much sums up how it was then and how it is now.

Thanks for sharing.
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We've always had anti-Semitism in the USA, but clearly less than in Europe. It declined but didn't vanish after World War II, in sympathy via the holocaust. Still, quota's limiting Jews admitted into colleges and medical schools existed well into the 1960's, as did restricted (no Jews allowed) resorts and neighborhoods. Nancy Reagan wasn't Anti-Semitic, but her rich surgeon father allegedly bragged that he never operated on a Jew. Most in the USA are not anti-Jewish, but you still hear comments about all Jews being rich or controlling everything, some black activists openly attack Jews, and some (but clearly not all) that criticize Israel do so as a more "acceptable" way of attacking Jews.

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people hate jews since the jewish people lost their country in the times of the romans and till this day.
when its in law or unspoken, hate for jews exist all over the world but mostly in Europe.

as far as i know there is no one in the world ever who got more hate and racism in any kind of way (including physical) than the jewish people.

and still even those who have nothing to do with jews hate israel because it belongs to the jews.

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As you your second question, I think things have changed quite a bit. I'm Jewish, and I've never been attacked or persecuted for it in anyway. Then again, I live in a town right next to NYC, with three synagogues on one street and Chinese resutants that make sure you know they're kosher via huge signs. I don't know about people in more rural areas, though.

Life is far too important a thing to ever talk seriously about it - Oscar Wilde

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Bingo! You hit the nail on the head quite eloquently with your reply on anti-semitism in the US.

Indeed, criticism of Israel and her policies towards her Arab citizens and those in the conquered territories is nothing more than anti-semitism in another guise. I say this as a conservative American-Israeli and of course, a Jew.

The Left is very adept at getting it's message out, unfortunately they are also in control of the major, mainstream media. Thanks for helping to make an important point in an articulate way.

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Many people, including some Jews I know, do not like Israel because of the way it treats Palestinians. (How about those bombs?) You don't have to be anti-semitic to disapprove of Israel's policies and actions.

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The world is full of Leftist; self-hating Jews, we even have plenty of them in Israel, proof of our tolerant, democratic society.

How well do the Arabs, especially the Muslims tolerate dissent??? They don't. To be a moderate Muslim is to be shunned at best, beaten, tortured and then murdered at worst.

Let me put it in another way that might make more sense to you, assuming that you are American:

During the eight years that the Republican George W. Bush was President, the Left sported a bumper sticker that read:"Dissent is Patriotic".

Now that Barack Hussein Obama is President, where are those bumper stickers?? Answer: they were peeled off following the disgraceful result of the 2008 elections.

When an Israeli soldier beats a Muslim Arab it is out of hate and frustration over hundreds of years of being tormented with not being able to strike back because of our sense of morals. It is NOT tolerated either by society or government and he is punished for it. I know, I served in the IDF and we were lectured long and hard on our interaction with the Arab population and the Rules of Engagement.

When an Arab murders a Jew/Israeli, however, it is a different story altogether. He is lauded as a hero/martyr and his widow & children are supported for life and are elevated in status because their father took up the cause against the Jews......

Yup, life is hard for us Jews and Israelis!

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I grew up in a fairly affluent area on Chicago's north shore and my family belonged to a country club (in the late '80s/early 90's) that, unfortunately, restricted Jewish membership (not outrightly, obviously, but as the title of this movie suggests, there was a sort of "agreement"). When my father became aware of this "practice," our family withdrew from the club.

It's just staggering to think that that kind of anti-semitism was still as rampant after so many years, especially considering the presence and vitality of the Jewish community in the area.

So, although sentiments are far better than even the era of this film, unfortunately some lingering mis-guided opinions remain.

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this movie baiscally sums up how america or white/republican americans are! They love to make it look like they support and care about everyone as long as they think they can get something out of it (capitalism)! This is very reflected in the health care reform debate now a day. They say they don't wont mis-spending for it, but they really mean we're not going to help our neighbor (unless we can get something out of it!) That's all america is!

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This is to Halo. If you think most people are self concerned or money conscious above other things, you may have a point. But your crude reference to Republicans, and even your refusal to capitalize the word, shows your partisan hack mentality. I'm not saying that the Democrat party is all about bigotry, but it is the Democrats who supported quotas for whites and then subtley switched to quotas for blacks and Hispanics. While it was and is the Republican party that consistently has stated that equality of opportunity should not be restricted on account of race.

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wow. So I take it you are neither white nor Republican nor American as every one of your comments is aimed at the covenient "they" scapegoat. I wonder if you've ever taken the trouble to get to know a white, Republican, or American simply on the basis of their humanity before you label them with **** like this. I also suspect that you rather hate such conveniently ignorant labels when they're applied to yourself.

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Unfortunately that hopeful yet misguided mentality exists in many, including those of good intentions like yourself. The United States has had a long history of anti-Semitism, dating from colonial days through the present. Early in the 20th century there was the Leo Frank case that inspired riots in the southern part of the country that drove most of its area's Jewish residents out of the region. The Jewish immigrants to this country were ghettoized and restricted to certain neighborhoods. Before she was a President's wife, Eleanor Roosevelt was a social worker on New York's Lower East Side and said from her experiences that the Jewish Ghettos there were the most poverty ridden and starvation filled areas she had ever encountered, worse even then the most horrible places in India.

As far as more recent times. During the second world war Henry Morganthau, a friend of Franklin Roosevelt and the lone Jew in his cabinet, was told point blank by FDR that he shouldn't ask for any help for the Jews of Europe and to remember that he was only there (in the cabinet) "at the sufferance of a white Protestant nation." Yes even racially there was considered to be a difference. Jews were not considered to be black, yet on the other hand they weren't quite white either. And in the time leading up to the war, there was a very influential radio host and popular public speaker, Father Charles Coughlin, a Catholic priest, who gave weekly anti-Semitic harangues. In fact in one public poll of the day that asked what people considered to the greatest threat to the nation, the answer was quite horrific. At the time of the Great Depression, the number one answer was not, poverty, unemployment, starvation or fear of a looming war. The answer was, the Jews.

On a personal basis, I remember once asking my mother how much money my father was earning when they first got married (1947) and she told me, nothing, because he was out of work. She said that in those days no company would hire a Jew, and that despite the fact that my father had a college degree from a fine school and had served in combat for almost 5 years in WWII, it took him a very long time to gain employment. When our family moved into a house in a new development in the 1960s in only a lower middle class town, I said to my mother maybe we should have moved into a house in a neighborhood only a few blocks away called Orchard Park, which was covered with beautiful old trees as the name would suggest. She told me that wasn't possible as no one in that neighborhood would sell to a Jew.

Just recently I saw a documentary about Thomas Dewey, who in the 1930s and 40s was put in charge of a government program to prosecute members of organized crime. It mentioned that almost evey attorney he hired was Jewish. His son appeared on the program and commented that this was so, not because his father had any special relationship to the Jewish community, but rather because all of the very qualified gentile lawyers around were employed at very well paying jobs at prestigious law firms, firms that did not hire Jews. And thus he said his father was able to put together a staff of unusual competance for a government program, because for the most talented Jewish lawyers, his program was a great opportunity.

In the 1980s there was a controversy about the appointment of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court when it was revealed that the deed to his home contained a clause that barred him from ever selling to a Jew. He explained that away saying he had no intention of honoring the document but that it was standard language in most deeds of the day. And only 10 years or so ago the great golfer Tom Watson resigned from the private golf club he was a member of after he found out it had denied membership to Henry Bloch, a Jewish man, who owned the most famous income tax preparation firm in the country.

I could site many more public and private instances, but I think the point has been made. In terms of corrections to prejudice, the U. S. government has instituted and imposed on businesses and institutions programs for blacks, Hispanics and women that use quotas. While Jews would not want such blatantly abusive measures imposed to remedy circumstances for themselves, it would be nice if the government seemed to care and the public at large was made aware that such prejudice still exists.

Some years ago a popular television talk show that featured audience participation conducted an interview with a man that they identified as the only Jewish president of a major U. S. corporation. When they got to the part of the show were questions were taken from the audience, one person asked the man, that as the only Jewish CEO what was he doing to see that more blacks were getting empoyment opportunities at his firm. Maybe if people realized that anti-Semitism still existed they would have asked the more logical and appropriate question, what are you doing to help Jews overcome prejudice in being hired, especially at the executive level.

And one more observation. Virtually every Western nation has elected a chief executive of Jewish heritage at one time, even Germany. Only one major power has not, the United States.

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Fantastic and well thought out reply. I am very intrigued by your closing statement. I wonder if you can point me to the evidence of this. I am not doubting your truthfulness, but I do try to have such important statements as that backed up, for my own conscience sake. What can you tell me?

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You know that reminds me... I was living in NYC during the 2000 election, Bush versus Gore. Gore seemed to have it in the bag, and then, he chose Joe Lieberman as his running mate. My boss at the time (who was from Vietnam) and I told one of the Jewish women we worked with, "He's going to lose." She didn't believe it was going to be that big of a deal, but we both told her that he would lose. (Sure, there were other factors at play, like Ralph Nader and changing chads, but I'm focusing solely on the anti-Semitism part to make a point.)

Think about this. The U.S. has had 44 presidents now, and Kennedy was the only one who was not Protestant. He had to fight misconceptions about Catholics being born with tales to get elected.

(I'm including a lot of the stuff in paratheses because the OP is from Britian, and I didn't know how much about American politics he/she knows.)

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As kmc-4 mentions, the USA has had just one Catholic president, John F. Kennedy, a Democrat narrowly elected in 1960. In that election voters in several southern states like Oklahoma, Kentucky and Tennesse that usually chose the Democrat, instead voted for the Republican candidate (Richard Nixon) probably due to to anti-Catholic prejudice and fear. Yet fear of a Catholic president seemed to recede during Kennedy's time in office.

Did choosing a Jewish running mate for Vice President hurt Al Gore in the 2000 election? Perhaps, but it's hard to measure. At any rate, anti-Jewish prejudice is less now than it was in 1947 or 1960, but it still exists. So does (less common) anti-Catholic prejudice.

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America isn't some foreign country to UK/Europe that holds different values and thinks differently. America was originally comprised almost completely of Englishmen, and Europeans. If Jews had immigrated to China, then what you're asking would make more sense.

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What the OP Is asking does make sense. They are not from the USA, so why shouldn't they ask questions about us? And America is a different country if you consider how we broke away from England and reformulated an entire new constitution. We're not a clone, which was the whole point.

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Anti-semitsim in 1947 had very little to do with Euroupean Jewish immigration - there was very little since before WWI except for the famous and successful individualsthat were able to make it out during Hitler's time like Einstein and Billy Wilder. I made sure that my kids saw this movie because 99% of the anti-semitism that is seen in the media is related to the holocaust. In some respects this seemed a little unreal and ancient history to them. I wanted them to know that a less virulent but insidious type of anti-semitism was alive in this country, and that their grandfather and his friends were turned away from a vacation house they rented because they were Jews, and their cousin found one of the Jewish exclusive convenants on the deed to her house she was buying in Connecticut, and insisted it be taken out before the close even though it was by then unenforcable. This type of "genteel" anti-semitism was unknown to them. Interestingly, within eight years of the movie's release, Connecticut, the state where the film was largely set, would have a Jewish Governor (and later Senator) Abraham Ribicoff.

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Discrimination that was common against Jews in the late 1940's:

1) Hotels, private clubs and resorts often advertised that they were "restricted." That meant no Jews permitted, and sometimes no ethnic Catholics (Italians, Poles, etc.) either. And forget Mexicans or Blacks. Not sure about Asians.

2) Many companies, law firms, and accounting firms would refused to hire Jews, others only hired a few, usually in lower-paid positions. Again, the same restrictions often applied to ethnic Catholics and other groups.

3) Restricted covenants (later declared illegal by the Supreme Court) were common in house-buying contracts, specifying that you would never sell the property in the future to Jews or blacks.

4) Many landlords would only rent to Christians, and sometimes only to protestants (no Catholics).

5) Many top colleges and universities had Jewish quotas limiting their admission. Thus many Jews who sympathize with underdog minorities remain opposed to affirmative action, at least when it means quotas. And the Univ. of California at Berkeley openly used quotas limiting Asians until a couple years ago, in the name of more diversity.

6) Some churches opposed anti-Semitism, some were silent, but others preached against Jews as Christ killers.

Most of these discriminations greatly receded in the coming decades. But even today, when there is major news story from Israel, check the blogs that follow. You often see bitter vile directed at all Jews, plus some that criticize Israel doing so to employ a socially acceptable way to bash Jews.

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The New York Times, almost since its inception, owned and published by Jews, until the early 1950s found it acceptable to run classified ads / employment section that said, "no Jews." and "Jews need not apply"….

here's this, just published (5/13/14)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/14/world/26-percent-of-worlds-adults-ar e-anti-semitic-survey-finds.html?src=rechp&_r=0

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Anti-semitism in 'Murica??

Alive and well, and has been so for over 100 years, probably longer.

Bess Truman, wife of much venerated President Harry Truman, refused to let a Jewish reporter in the home. Harry had to meet him outside the house for the interview.

All you need to do is spend time on Facebook and you'll find Jew-hating flourishing. We are a country of racists and bigots. And it's getting worse, not better.

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Why do you think it anti-Semitism is getting worse at this point?

I suspect it's lesser than in 1947 when the movie was filmed, but then again:

1) Recently a friend, who has a Jewish grandparent, told me that a small group of Jewish financiers control the world economy. He couldn't tell me who they are, how they do this controlling, or anything else, but he was more or less convinced of it.

2) The wife of another friend was sure that Jews control the banks in the USA, not that she could name any of these banks or their owners. Actually, Jews control very few banks in the USA, and until a few decades ago had a hard time getting hired by a bank - even as tellers or secretaries.

3) A poll of East Europeans in 2009 or 2010 showed about a third held Jews or Jewish financiers responsible for the economic downturn.

4) When we hear about these Jewish financiers and worldwide economic control and downturns, we never hear the role that Christian bankers or financiers play. They are far, far more numerous, but somehow they magically vanish in the bad times and blame times. Also, when the economy is strong, those that say Jews control all this stuff never give them any credit for the good times.

So yeah, anti-Semitism is hardly gone.

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Jews have always been a target of the KKK (Ku Klux Klan).

I've worked for law firms that were started by Jewish attorneys who could not get jobs at other law firms because they were Jewish.

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You'll see references to it in other movies if you pay close attention. For instance, in the movie "Auntie Mame", Mame goes to visit the rich, snobbish parents of her nephew Patrick's betrothed (Gloria Upsen). The future in-laws brag about their property being "restricted". To get back at them, Mame purchases the property nearby and turns it into a haven for Jewish refugee children. Patrick had been orphaned at the age of 8 in 1928, so this scene was probably supposed to take place in the early 40's.

Life's a banquet, and most poor suckers are starving to death!

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Many Jews left Europe for the USA from 1880-1924 to escape persecution and anti-Jewish discrimination. They also found Anti-Semitism in the USA, but it was less common than in Europe, less often was it violent, and it was seldomed sponsored or encouraged by the government. Among the immigrants were future movie stars Edgar G. Robinson (his brother was killed by an Anti-Jewish mob in Europe) and Paul Muni.

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