Historically accurate


I last viewed this film in the mid 1980s. At the beginning of the film, there was a segment displaying the credentials of an historical society claiming the film to be accurate enough to be used as a teaching tool.
Anyone know what that organization was, and if the DVD has this same esteemed honor?
Thanks.

Dave

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Did that society notice that Pedro consistently refers to la Santa Inquisicion as la Santa Hermandad, which was a rural police that preceded the modern day Guardia Civil?

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Dear HijoelCid:

I just saw this film, Diego De Silva NEVER stated that they were the same political body. In fact he implies they are a civil branch, =La Santa Hermandad. It is subtle, but there.

I know this is an OT.

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Back in the 40's historical movies were extremely inaccurate. Hell, even movies which took place in the current year butin different countries are full of inaccuracies. Look at Casablanca. It is a masterpiece, but the map shows Casablanca in the site of Tangiers and depicts an unrealistic French tricolour with Islamic crescent and star as the flag of French Morocco.

I had not seen the movie yet, but I don't expect much accuracy. The whole plot involving the Inquisition in the conquest of the Aztec Empire isn't realistic at all. The first Inquisition "house" in Mexico wasn't opened till 1571, 50 years after the fall of the Aztecs.

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You'll enjoy the film, especially Newman's score. Try to see it. You'll note there is nothing in it which contradicts your last paragraph re the Inquisition and Mexico.

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The WIKI article about this movie isn't exactly ecstatic about the accuracy--????????????--of its depiction of the period.

God is subtle, but He is not malicious. (Albert Einstein)

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Hey, I think I remember you from a few years ago! I'm franklin.
I just saw Captain from Cataile again. Cesar Romero is excelent as Hernán Cortés. Too bad the movie ends too son, just when Cortés is marching to meet Moctezuma. The conquest of Mexico is such a wonderful story. Epic, tragic, heroic, sad... There's never been a movie about it! Kirk Dougals wanted to make one but I don't understand why he wanted to play Moctezuma! Oliver Stone had plans to do it (in the most politically correct way I presume), but didn't.

Captain from Castile is a beautiful film. Anthony Quinn would have been perfect as Moctezume (at that time). Young Ricardo Montalbán could have been Cuactemoc.
And I've always been in love with the actress who plays Doña Marina. Tyrone Power was my mother's favourite actor. As you know, Cesar Romero was the grandson of José Martí. He was born in NY and spoke very little Spanish. All the interviews he gave before he died were given in English.

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I did not recognzied Doña Marina. That's Stela Inda. Her best film is "El rebozo de Soledad" with Arturo de Córdova and Pedro Armendáriz. A classic from Mexican cinema's Golden Age.

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In case anyone is still wondering, in response to the OP, yes, the DVD does have this esteemed honor, and that organization was the National Museum of Mexico.

BTW, I'm a geography/history buff (and I am of Spanish descent), with enormous interest in Latin American history, including its 3 major pre-Columbian empires -- the Aztec, Maya, and Inca (South America) -- and I was honestly amazed by how incredibly accurate this film was down to even the most minute detail, seen in the film the 1500's both in Spain and in the Aztec Empire, encompassing everything from accurate architecture, way-of-life, clothing, and even the Nahuatl language spoken by the Aztecs (between Dona Marina and the ambassadors of Emperor Moctezuma) in this film (which btw is still spoken by the around 1.5 million direct descendants of the Aztecs in the part of modern Mexico formerly occupied by the Aztec Empire), as well as the interjection of Spanish words, phrases, and sentences by the Spaniards in the film. This film really got things right, which many other films have attempted to do and failed miserably -- one relatively recent example being the atrocious APOCALYPTO, depicting the Maya empire innacurately as violent savages, without understanding that they, like the Aztecs after them, were in actuality a highly advanced civilization with MANY, MANY coincidental parallels with Spain halfway across the world (which, of course, would collide in the 1500's as seen in this film with the arrival of Spanish explorers in Aztec Mexico). One of the many nice touches in this EXCELLENTLY done film, btw, was this -- notice in the village temple (pyramid) room Pedro keeps guard in, there is sacrifical blood in front of the religious idol, and, late in the movie, there is blood stained on the side of a town pyramid (temple) steps -- this is because Aztec priests used to sacrifice (100% willing, self-volunteering) Aztec people to nourish the gods that they believed in (in turn, in their belief, sending blessings to the greater good of their people/civilization) at the top of the pyramid steps -- antoher nice touch of accuracy. Also the buildings seen in the Aztec Empire towns and villages were 100% accurate -- made of adobe painted a certain color (which btw is also common in Spanish construction, as wee see in the Spain-set portion of the film) though (in the Aztec Empire unlike in Spain--) with (lime-sealed) roofs topped with thatched straw.

This is a fantastic film not only in terms of its amazing historical and cultural accuracy, however. I also found it riveting at every unexpected turn, as well as meaningful, and is, IMHO a one-of-a-kind cinematic treasure. Its production quality is also INCREDIBLY advanced, making it difficult to believe that it was released all the way back in 1947.





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@HiJodelCid...Wikipedia isn't exactly an authority on the matter. In fact, it can be very subjective.

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It is tragic that the film did not cover the second half of Shellabarger's truly great book. The film version of his "Prince of Foxes" done the next year was much closer to the book and was very good. It also starred Tyrone Power. Shellabarger's "The King's Cavalier" never got made into a film, but parts of it showed up in "Diane," with Lana Turner. There was talk that the great historical author's "Lord Vanity" would be filmed with Robert Wagner in the lead, but that never came about. Shellabarger needs to be rediscovered and refilmed.

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What a joke. They must have meant "hysterically" accurate. It is hung on a frame of actual history but so very, very far from historically accurate. The errors are too many to list but here is one: Cortes had been welcomed into Mexico City (Tenochtitlan) by Moctezuma and had already seized him when Narváez landed in Villa Rica. The most glaring inaccuracy, however, is how brutal the Spanish were.

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The armor the Spaniards wear in the movie is from a period about 50 years later, actually the Spanish soldiers were pretty Medieval looking. Cortes should've been portrayed, when armed, in a full suit of armor with a closed helmet or sallet. And most of Cortes's infantry were rodeleros--swordsmen equipped with a small shield. We only have one fleeting glimpse of rodeleros in the movie.

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