Should be remade


Some of you may take this remark to mean that I don't like the original. That is wrong I love it, mainly for the acting (Dikie is mesmorising as Pinkie). However the book is far more evil, and was cut for being too nasty for a british cinema audiences. Where is the acid flask? What of Pinkie's hatred of sex? And why is Ida portrayed as almost likeable, instead of hated like Graham Greene originally wrote her?
I believe that the film is a watered down version of the book, and some of the points raised above are exceptable, even attrative, for certain contemporary cinema audiences.
I would keep the end in however. Even though the book doesn't say Rose hears the record, the film is far more nasty and cruel than the prospect of finding out the truth. Knowing that she believes in a lie makes this the most evil ending in cinema. No shock and gore, just manipulation. Cruel, cruel, cruel.

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that doesnt mean that a successful remake couldnt be made. This movie is my all time favourite film. Its up there with another wonderful film noir "Gilda". This one has more of a raw flavour however. Due to the fact that its a British film I believe. I see Jude Law as Pinkie Brown. He has that Attenborough quality.

Without a shadow of a doubt.

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No no no, I was watching this, and i'm doing so right now in fact, but seriously, I see Pete Doherty in Pinkie. Especially when on the rifle stall at the fair.

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Jude is too old and too pretty. I also imagine Pinkie looking a bit Doherty-like. I can't think of any actors at the moment who seem right for the role and I think a remake would have more impact if Pinkie was obviously played by an actual teenager.
Someone like Jonny Lee Miller would be a good choice for Dallow, and Geraldine McEwan or Julia McKenzie would be good as Ida. Hale could make an interesting cameo for Bill Nighy, maybe ?

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Jamie Bell as Pinkie. Since Billy Elliot he has been making some pretty good choices. He may not look right, but he is British, of the right age, and a damn good actor.

Miriam Margolyes as Ida. She is perfect, although maybe a bit too old.

Getting Dickie back to play Prewitt would be a good link to the past.

Michael Gambon as Corleone, or Dickie if he didn't play Prewitt, for the same reasons as above.

Dallow should be played by John Simm or David Morrisey, just because I love State of Play.

Nighy for Hale is perfect.






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What about Rose, the central most important character to the movie who everyone seems to overlook?! Keira Knightly if the style of recommedations that have been made follow suit...

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It is funny how nobody mentioned Rose. I think that is very significant. She is timid, and almost shrinks into the background. One of the best things about Brighton Rock in my opinion is the idea that the reader pities Rose, but also thinks that she is incredibly naive, to the point that you start to think she is stupid or masachistic. I therefore believe that Rose must be an un-known. You must view this character from a fresh perspective. Hence not Keira.

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Do you think there is a parallel with Nancy from Oliver Twist? It seems you need a slightly slow character yet kind character to exagerrate the evil of the other characters.

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It is similar to Nacy. But Rose in in no way kind, neither is she unkind. She is as innocent as a child. Just as you wouldn't, except in extremes, say that a child is kind or unkind, as they are still learning. In contrast to the other characters Rose will always show how evil or self centred the others are. However she is not a kind character in any respect.
She is naive and untarnished, therefore she should be played by someone with no baggage attached.

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And to continue my 'is she like' theme... do you think think there is a likeness with Sissy Spacek's character in Badlands?

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This is rather embarasing. I consider myself a movie buff, having seen most of the 'great films' of the last 50 years, but Badlands is one film I have never seen. I have seen most of Mallicks work but that one has always past me by. So I am sorry I can't answer that question.

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It is a rather excellent film with Martin Sheen and Sissy Spacek.

I have not looked at Brighton Rock since GCSEs nearly 10 years ago so feel free to pay no attention to my ramblings.

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Same. GCSE text. Did them in 1996. I went to a Catholic school so it tended to strike a chord, also every other class were studying things like Silas Marner(?) so we felt we certainly had the best of the bunch. What better subject than gang warfare, involving flick knives and acid, to get those perverted 16 year old minds going.

I will hopefully see Badlands one day. Since leaving Uni I have changed my viewing habits. when I was there I would batches of the so called great films. Taking in Bogadovich, Hal Ashby and Polanski. I watched a lot of Mallick too. But since leaving I just can't face watching something like that when I come home from work, it would just depress me too much, that, and none of these films would be acceptable to my girlfriend, has meant a decrease in the amount of classic film education.

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I did guess you did it at GCSE level as well.

*points to my IMDB name*

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Ida wasn't hated in the book (like the first person said), i guess you do kind of want her to stop bothering them but it was because of her that Rose survived and Pinkie was stopped from killing anymore. It's funny people thought of Pete Doherty as Pinkie because Brighton Rock's one of his favourite books. How do you think they killed him?, i thought they maybe shoved the rock down his throat.

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Ida was hated by Greene. But Greene hated and despised almost everyone. People who barge into other peoples business or stick their noses where they don't belong are a theme of Greene's. Think of Holly Wells in the Third Man, Greene doesn't despise him as much as Ida, because Holly is looking into a friends death and in a way he is the victim, but he certainly has no respect for him.

Ida does save Rose's life, but Rose did not want to be saved. Greene basically says 'who are you to judge?' Of course Rose is naive and doesn't realise that she is being manipulated by Pinkie, however Greene does not pity her. You get the feeling that if the events of the book were not to happen the characters would have probably met the same fate. Rose would have been taken for a ride, and Pinkie would have his heavy handed methods come back to destroy him.

Who and what are you talking about at the end? How did they kill who? Pete Doherty (god I hope so)?

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Rose may not have been grateful for being saved but at least she lived and I don't think Pinky would have met the same end without Ida. He would have killed Rose and carried on as normal. I meant how did they kill Fred, I couldn't remeber his name and hoped people would know who I meant. How d'you think they killed him?
Pete Doherty's wonderful.

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In Pinky's own eyes he is damned whatever he does. He is also a psychopath. It is pretty likely he would end up dead with such a self destructive streak. He crosses Corleone (?) who then tries to kill him at the race track. the idea of him living past 25 seems impossible to me. He was unlikely to move as Brighton and the life he led were all he knew. So I believe he was doomed to suffer the same fate.

"Rose may not have been grateful for being saved but at least she lived". that is putting it mildly. She is disraught and believes that Pinky loved her. She is most likely to be seriously screwed up for life.

Fred is killed in the film on the ghost train. He is thrown over the side and into the water. I think that is what happens in the book to. Although it may not have been so descriptive.

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ooooh.. did you just say Pete Doherty? Gold star for you! Perfect. I have heard that he loves the book. He also wrote a song about it entitled "Love You (But You're Green)"

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Dallow was played by William Hartnell, the first Doctor Who.

David Morrisey played the man who thought he was Doctor Who. John Simm is the Master.

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'but seriously, I see Pete Doherty in Pinkie'


if, low and behold pete doherty one day became sober and managed to not talk like david beckham on methadone he could be considered! imagine it, day one on the set and peter has sold his trailor to a gypsys for crack money, bedded the directors wife and made an impromto cockney knees up sessions record in the green room. hahaha.


as for musicions in the film what about morrissey, he wrote an amazing song about this flick (now my heart is full, from the vauxall and i album) and could play a, in his words '' loafing oaf in all night chemists''

a remake would be brilliant though. could be done so well. i think paddy considine and robert carlyle would have to play some part as they are by far the best male british actors around at the moment

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i really dont think they should tamper with a classic

because remakes havent dun ne good apart from dawn of the dead

if they did remake it would be crap like all other remakes

cant directors just leave films alone they dont need to make remakes or sequels

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my choices for a remake:(a few are dead but ah well)

Pinkie: christian bale, edward norton, adrian Brody
Prewitt: Jerry Orbach or Matlock
Ida: anne Bancroft, drew barrymore, bette midler
Dallow, Cubitt, and Spicer: alec baldwin, Phillip Seymore hoffman, Kevin spacey, Steve Buscemi.
Coleoni: ray liotta, pacino, deniro
Rose: michelle williams is popular now, i cant think of any right now.

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sorry to go against thre flow but this is one film that should be left alone

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I think Emmy Rossum could be Rose. She played Christine in Phatom. She's dark haired and wide eyed innocent, or Anne Hathaway or Even Scarlett Johannson or Rachel McAdams all appeal to me as actresses with an innocent beauty that would work well for Rose.

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Kellychristinah,

I would go for British talent. There's no guarantee that Emmy could do a flawless English accent. If I were in charge of casting, I'd cast Bruno Langley('Coronation Street', 'Doctor Who') as Pinky, and Anna Popplewell('The Lion, The Witch & The Wardrobe', 'Me Without You') as Rose.

Regards,
TARDIS Dude.

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i dont think rose is meant to be pretty, she's this little thin, mousey girl in the book; fairly insipid and stupid, the kind of girl who would be enthralled and easily manipulated by pinkie would not be a very beautiful one. she is unsure of herself, selfconscious and bland. graham greene does not deal in beauty, he revelled in the drab and hopeless.

i completely agree that the cast should feature some of our home grown talent, Harry Eden is a very young, very engaging actor, i think he might do for Pinkie. they are remaking it now, so we'll have to wait and see. i know they are updating it to be set in the 60s for one thing.

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Remake Details -

http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=festivals&jump=story&i d=1061&articleid=VR1117985727&cs=1

All the best

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They are remaking it. IMDB has it projected for 2010.

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I can see your point about the plot of the film having been 'watered down', but I do feel that now it has been committed to celluloid, and has become a (British, if not international) classic, it would be a travesty to remake it, simply because it is so good. The Boulting brothers created (I hesitate to use the word ‘produced’, because of their interchangeable roles) a raft of wonderful films, especially the austerity post-war years, but surely this has to go down as one of the best. If a remake were ever made (and doubtless the location would move to Brighton, NJ) it would automatically suffer from immediate comparison with the original, and the charm and wit of the original would suffer by comparison with the new. The whole reason people love this film is because of the quiet, understated current of stone-cold, ruthless violence, which is there beneath the surface, which I can’t see being replicated (or bettered) in a new version. This would be as big a mistake as remaking The Third Man, Angels With Dirty Faces, Whisky Galore! or The Maltese Falcon. These are classic films LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!

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I don't think the film should be remade, this film is a classic Britflick which should be left alone, i hear their also remaking "The Long Good Friday", no doubt theirll ruin another classic like with "Get Carter" and "The Italian Job".

Besides, Brighton today is a degenerate slum.

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Hey, guess what? They've done it. Bravo!

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aye

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Now that is has been remade, what did you all think? I saw it. And while it was not bad, it made be appreciate the original even more.

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If anything it seemed even more watered down and wildly, wildly miscast.

Some films leave you pondering what you've just seen long after the last image fades, and so it is with Rowan Joffe's remake of Brighton Rock. Unfortunately the questions it leaves you with are What on Earth did he think he was doing? What was the casting director smoking? and just plain Why? Updated to the 1960s for no discernible reason other than the director presumably not being able to get the remake rights to Quadrophenia but wanting to make a film with Mods and Rockers in it anyway and shot mostly in Eastbourne (though admittedly parts of Brighton have been heavily modernised over the past couple of decades), it's got more in common with the slew of dismal post-Lock, Stock run of Mockney gangster movies than Grahame Greene's immorality play. The Boulting Brothers generally superb version with Richard Attenborough did suffer heavily at the hands of the censors - Pinky's disfiguring bottle of vitriol became a less threatening switchblade - but rather than filling in the gaps this is an object lesson in missing the point. Where that had a convincing post-War milieu where the lack of parental guidance during the war years had led to an increase in juvenile crime, this offers us two leads who are way too old for their roles and consequently look a bit slow rather than presumptuous.

Andrea Risebrough at least looks a bit younger than her 29 years but unfortunately comes across as a congenital idiot rather than an innocent - her behaviour never seems credible for a grown woman in the 60s - but Sam Riley is catastrophic casting as Pinky: uncharismatic, unthreatening and making an even less convincing teenager than any of the cast of Grease, he leaves a complete void at the center of the film in a performance that leaves no cliche unturned and is frightening only in its blandness. It's hard to see him threatening a granny on pension day let alone a bunch of grown men or having the ability to woo the unwitting witness to a murder. Despite the odd superficial nod to the Catholicism that drives the novel - more the odd bit of Mafia flick imagery than a driving force of determined rebellion - it seems to miss the point on an epic scale, rather like a student who knows he'll lose points if he doesn't mention it in his book report but doesn't understand what it's there for. The supporting cast offer the kind of uninspired professionalism you get on misfired prestige TV dramas, only underlining the feeling that this is one of those misjudged TV shows that sit on the shelf for months before creeping out one weekend when no-one is looking, which pretty much describes its UK cinema release. Still, after his father Roland Joffe's infamously bad adaptation of The Scarlet Letter, you could at least say that Rowan Joffe is definitely following in his footsteps, making his being hired to rewrite the previously promising Agent Zigzag for Mike Newell look like the kiss of death for what could have been a terrific movie. With his gift for missing the point, he'll probably set the true WW2 story in the Korean War so he can include some rock'n'roll on the soundtrack.




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you had to open your big mouth didn't you? now look what you've done (lol!)

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