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Sister Ruth's mental condition


I'm fully aware making too much of the question is beside the point of the story. Her function is rather the effect she has on her surroundings, not focusing attention on the causes of her sufferings (about which the film has nothing to say).

Still, for the sake of interpretation, what psychiatric diagnosis is suggested by her speech, body language and behavior?

She's intense and emotionally unstable, on the verge of breakdown from the very start, making an effort to control herself.

There's a raging and overly suspicious quality to her jealousy, suspecting an affair between Dean and Sister Clodagh. Just dressing up "as if", and the blunt way she proposes, even the surprise when Dean turns her down, suggest that her thoughts of love between them lack reality check.

Borderline personality disorder? Paranoid personality disorder? Paranoid schizophrenia?

And indeed, she's homicidal, possibly suicidal. In other words, she's a loony. But what kind? Any ideas?

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Whatever it is, it's a long term condition and the Mother Superior was well aware of it. Remember the scene at the beginning when Mother Dorothea & Sister Clodagh are looking down at the nuns in the dining hall, deciding who should go to St Faith's. Sister Ruth is absent because she is "ill". Mother Dorothea says "That is why I want her to go".

After a comment by Clodagh wondering "Do you think that our vocation is her vocation?" Mother Dorothea says "Yes, she's a problem."

I keep hoping they'll burst into song:
"What shall we do with a problem like Ru-uth"



Steve

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I'm reminded of a line from the film "Shock Corridor," by Sam Fuller. A psychiatrist tells a patient: You're suffering from a form of Dementia Praecox, incident to the age of puberty, characterized by childish behavior, hallucinations, and emotional deterioration. Maybe this is Sister Ruth's diagnosis as well?

(I'm not a doctor, I just play one on the Internet. lol)

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Dementia Praecox

Wasn't she a British mystery writer?

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The problem with diagnosing characters in fiction is that the creators are not working towards a true representation of a mental illness.

Ruth could be suffering a myriad of problems. But I suppose the most obvious would be Bipolar disorder.

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Her problem is that her central immaturity is being exacerbated by a nervous disorder, low self-esteem, sexual mania, grandomania & paranoia.

A sense of personal worthlessness?

A lot of energy with no productive place to discharge it?

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Crazy hot or hot crazy.
Even crazier, Mr Dean in shorts with all that fricking wind.
Stop tormenting those girls you sod.

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Being a tease is what Mr. Dean does best.

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You make a good point that one of Ruth's issues is not enough of an outlet for her energy. In the book, in fact, when Clodagh questions Mother Superior on why assign Ruth with her issues to this mission, the older nun says that Ruth is one who badly needs a sense of importance and that she is hoping for Ruth to improve in a small group where she will be forced into taking more responsibility.

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I had a girlfriend who was bi-polar and she acted a lot like Ruth. She would not be able to sleep and was angry and abusive half the time. That crazy %$# is out of my life now thank God.

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In the book, then nuns aren't allowed to leave the nunhood every year. Don't know why they put that in the movie. So I think she's just basically realized she isn't getting any, and she really doesn't want to be a nun. Remember, in those days I think you could be excommunicated or something else really bad for renouncing your religious calling. So it's the stress between her vows and her attraction to the man in this strange, forbidding location that finally made her crack.

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I just saw this movie today after knowing about it for years, The death scene was really thrilling, sadly Sister Ruth got she deserved, mentally ill or not, she tried to kill someone. Yes it was harder to leave the priesthood and nunnery back in the 40's. I believe the rules may be a little more relaxed today, but it may still be a hardship.

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The emphasis of an annual renewal of vows emphasises that they aren't a Catholic order. Nuns weren't excommunicated or anything really bad for leaving this order

Steve

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This question intrigued me, so I started reading the book again, so thanks for that.

When they introduce Joseph Anthony in chapter 5 Colonel Pratap says:
"Joseph Anthony is the son of my Madrassi cook. He was at school for a short while here." He coughed and went on. "He is Christ-ian and will wel-come you very much, though he is Roman and you are not. ..."

That's one of the few places where Rumer Godden says explicitly in the novel that they aren't Catholic nuns, and even there it's a point that is made quite subtly.

The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox (the other main branch of Catholicism) churches can excommunicate people but Anglicans don't have excommunication because they don't put as much importance on the communion

Steve


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Just plain nuts.

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I agree with the poster who said that fictional characters are often not written realistically in terms of their mental illness. That said, she does appear to be bipolar, with both depressive and manic episodes. She's also frequently histrionic and (no pun intended) narcissistic, deeply craving being the center of attention at all times. She also ends up obviously psychotic. Ruth never demonstrates any empathy for anyone else. She's completely wrapped up in herself.

I think the Mother Superior at the original order feels she would end up someplace much worse if she were not at the nunnery, so the convent is a refuge for her rather than a vocation. However, whoever thought it was a good idea to send her to a foreign culture and alien climate, just because it would be with a smaller group, was really dumb.

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I got that impression too, that Sister Ruth wasn't 'normal' enough to live in polite society, so the nuns took her in - as she would have had no prospects otherwise. And sending her to the Himalayas with the others was a way of keeping her hidden away from society.

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