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I find this to be a very sad film...am I alone?


I'm not sure why. But here's a guess.

To me, the lead characters (Grant, Young, and Niven) are the least important. An odd thing to write but, consider: which characters really undergo a metamorphosis and have a revelation which changes who they are?

One: the professor. A somewhat bitter, frustrated man reveals something of the source of his melancholy after drinking some of the Angel's port. His tragedy (a lost love) prevented him from leading a truly full life, hence his lonely, little apartment, and the sense that anytime he passed a cemetary he was apartment searching.

Second: Mrs. Hamilton. Similarly, she made a terrible choice early in life and has tortured herself for it ever since.

Both characters obtain a revelation and are, hence redeemed, as Mrs. Hamilton gives her wealth to the poor, and the Professor attends Christmas Eve services, knowing his book will be written. Still, extremely poignant, if not sad.

Please share your thoughts.

Thanks.

Joe

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Thanks for your post. Nice observations.

I don't like the "you have to forget this" aspect of it.

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Well, "The Bishop's Wife" does start out with very unhappy people: The Bishop trying to deal with his unhappy Board of Trustees led by an mean,unhappy woman who has her own secret sorrow; certainly the Bishop's wife whose husband has changed from a romantic minister to an elevated unhappy Bishop; the Professor whose career, at the end of his life, has stalled; and the Bishop and his wife's daughter "Debby" who has had the same effects of the changes in the Bishop impinging on her young life just it has on her mother's.

But the miracles start at the very beginning when the Angel (Cary Grant) shows up. So we are all looking for redemption for everybody. And so it's a hopeful movie from the outset. (Unlike today when the Bishop's wife could decide that her life was intolerable and she would just take Debbie and get a divorce. We have the peace of knowing that this movie was made in 1947 and "things will get better," especially when an Angel shows up!)

I always thought that the real "sad ingredient" in "The Bishop's Wife" was David Niven who had just lost his wife in real life in 1946 ("The Bishop's Wife" was made in 1947 and Niven had been left with 2 very young sons.)I saw a photo of David Niven and his young sons at their swimming pool at the time of his wife's death and David Niven just looked like was in terrible grief. I think a lot of that grief carried over into the film.

Someone at the time said that David Niven's personal tragedy at the time made his performance all the more convincing as an unhappy Bishop who felt he was losing his wife (Loretta Young).

What I can't understand in my own reaction to "The Bishop's Wife" is "Why did I find it boring all the times I saw it at first then, suddenly, it's one of my favorite Christmas movies?"

So why isn't there a splendid DVD for it with old interviews, the premiere, etc.? The DVD as it is now has nothing (possibly the trailer which I have on my VHS.)

PS: David Niven remarried in 1948 and had a long, happy marriage.

Flanagan

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I think as we age, we finally "get" movies that before were really beyond us. I have grown out of so many films, and grown into others. I think it's just part of the maturity process.

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LPurch6636 says > What I can't understand in my own reaction to "The Bishop's Wife" is "Why did I find it boring all the times I saw it at first then, suddenly, it's one of my favorite Christmas movies?"
Apparently all the times you saw it before you missed the point of it. I've noticed, based on what I've read on the boards, that it's something that happens to a lot of people. They must be focusing on other things so they fail to grasp the true message or meaning of a particular story or movie.


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Great post aciolino. Those two characters were the most touching overall, now that you mention it.



Merry Christmas

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I like this movie a lot, but have always felt there's a real melancholy underlying the redemptive parts. Dudley the angel accomplishes his mission, with the bishop and his wife rediscovering their love for each other, the rich woman donating her wealth to the poor, the bishop realizing how important his family is to him, etc.

But there's a very poignant feeling at the end, when the angel asks his heavenly superiors for just a few more moments on earth. He has experienced the love of a mortal woman and knows he can never be with her. He has touched the lives of those he came in contact with and made them happier, but at a cost to himself. Mortal happiness with a wife and family is not for him, and he must go back.

The final sequence is incredibly moving to me, when the angel smiles at the old professor on his way up the steps of the church on Christmas Eve, and the professor pauses for a moment, unsure if he recognizes the friendly greeter or not, and then goes into the church. The angel stands in the falling snow amid the Christmas crowds and then seems to gradually disappear into the night, going back home. It 's hard to describe the impact of that scene without risking sounding corny, but it works beautifully.

This movie could have been really cutesy and overly sentimental, but it really works as a thoughtful, serious film with some lighthearted moments, but it is not a comedy, as some have described it over the years. I think this ranks among the best things Cary Grant ever did, and all the cast are really fine.

I think perhaps there's something less obvious too, but sugested in the character of the professor and some of the other secondary characters; namely the theme of people being disappointed with how their lives have turned out, a vague sense of unfulfilled hopes and feelings of regret. It's subtle, but it's there. Notice how much the secretary brightens up just from a few friendly words from Dudley.

I hadn't intended to go on for so long, but I guess it shows how much this movie affects me. Everyone who loves old films should see this at least once.

And when he crossed the bridge, the phantoms came to meet him

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Very nice post. The scene between Dudley and Henry is one of my favorites in the film. Hugo Friedhofer's score is one of the miracles of the movie. The music at this point depicts both the call Dudley hears and his yearning to remain, a pure stroke of genius.


"The value of an idea has nothing to do with the honesty of the man expressing it."--Oscar Wilde

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Almost six years later, I'd like to thank you for your post!

Yes, The Bishop's Wife does have a sense of melancholy about it. But as we become older, most of us do recognize the melancholic aspect of a joyous holiday at wintery year's end, the juxtaposed elements of both general celebration and personal introspection representing the ying and yang aspects of one's life.

The Bishop's Wife recognizes these truths and, with a deft sense of both humor and perspective, reminds us there is hope for change and redemption at whatever stage of life we are in.

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exactly

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tho theres quite alot of comedy in this film i quite agree about the underlying melancholy. i daresay most of my sympathies lie with grant's angel who seems to lead a lonely existence and after his good deeds he is forgotten.

cheers.

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Just to comment on the premise here: yes, perhaps in a way it's "sad", but that is life.

The movie shows people who cannot simply change what has happened in the past, but can change themselves for the future (even if short, as seems to be the theme of the comments - the old people are the "sad" 1s).

This is the same as "Christmas Carol" where Ebeneezer Scrooge's life was very sad - both accidentally and from his own doing - yet in the end, he puts his regrets behind him and goes on to the future, no matter how old he is.

BW is not a fantasy where everyone gets to go back in time and alter how they behaved - and how their lives would play differently. They can only change from now ON.

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The movie is poignant, but it's ultimately a very happy story. Yes Dudley forms an attachment, but angels are love, so he'll form attachments everywhere. Julia will be fine once he's gone. Everybody's life gets changed for the better. I sob when I hear the Bishop's "empty stocking" sermon (the one Dudley wrote for him) but the fact that it makes me shed a tear doesn't make it a sad movie for me -- just a very moving one.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. Gandhi.

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It's that very touch of melancholy that has made The Bishop's Wife grow more special to me with the passing years.





"Madame meets many people, but she usually avoids the mad ones."

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misspaddylee ~ It's that very touch of melancholy that has made The Bishop's Wife grow more special to me with the passing years.

I concur! This film did not make the strongest impression on me the first time I saw it, but after "getting to know" the film more and taking in the depth of feelings of the characters in the story, first the melancholy and then ultimately the peace and contentment they find at the end, really made this film a big favorite! Special indeed! It's really beautiful!

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More Bittersweet than sad to me.



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Do you think he wants some cheese?


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Hi JR541,

I'mwathcing this film, a favorite of my my mother's on Christmas Eve. I adore it and appreciate the fact that David Niven, who had signed to play Dudley, the Angel, agreed to take the part of the Bishop after his great loss. Cary Grant wisely took on the rol of Dudley and was wonderful in it. It is a lovely movie and will be part of my Christmas memories forever.

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