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One of the all-Time greatest!!


After THE GODFATHER, this is my 2nd favorite film of all-time. I won't ramble on here as to why -- I will just say that if you love movies (particularly dramas) you owe it to yourself to see this forgotten masterpiece (which by the way, is even greater than DeSica's other better-known THE BICYCLE THIEF, as great as that one is.)

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I agree with you. This is a masterpiece. It's a shame that there are only two messages in this message board.

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It's not readily available, so not many people have seen it or strongly remember it. I know I have not seen it yet.

I know I didn't see The Bicycle Thief until is played on some cable channel in the early 1990s.

Then the Region 1 DVD was released and BOOM the talk about it seemed to fly around since.

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let's say that it is a "forgotten masterpiece" in usa.. ;)

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If Image or Criterion would only get their you know whatsis in gear and get it out on NTSC Shoeshine would overtake The Bicycle Thief in popularity. It's a superior film in so many ways! The performances De Sica got out of those boys was amazing! So natural and powerful. The prison scenes are wrenching!

I'm glad my friend loaned me his PAL copy because it's OOP and expensive. Thankfully I used DVD Shrink to rip it and then made an NTSC copy for myself by hooking up two machines together, a region free and region one machine. It's an excellent print.

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Funny-- I thought it was more heavy-handed than The Bicycle Thieves, which I'd consider the superior film.

Still, I did love it; really this sort of film is tailor-made for my sensibilities in many respects.

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I wish I could love these films; SciusciĆ , Bicycle Thieves, Umberto D, La Strada, eccetera... Cinema Paradiso has been my favourite for 20 years (I'm 26, do the math) so I keep on watching and rewatching these older Italian films hoping to connect with them somehow, but the truth is I have a hard time attuning myself to their sensibilities. I just don't like them that much, and I'm not sure why. Can any of you expand on why you like this one? I understand the craft put forth in its making, it's the emotional weight that's lost on me (not that the two aren't connected)...

Golden Hawk

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Well, there's probably not much we can tell you. Sometimes certain styles of filmmaking just don't work for certain people, and that's fine.

However, I can barely imagine watching this film and not having some sort of emotional reaction - if not just intense anger at the treatment of young boys by the justice system and the prison guards (who, yes, are "just doing their jobs.") Boys who, in at least many cases, could be rehabilitated - if their conditions were better and if they were treated as young people who had done something wrong rather than hardened criminals (which isn't to suggest that some of them aren't already hardened criminals.)

Personally, the thing that makes these Neorealist movies so affecting for me is their sense of immediacy. They were filmed on real streets in real cities, and the actors are generally non-professionals who bring a sense of reality to the proceedings (in other words, they don't have to try as hard to act since a lot of the settings and scenarios are very familiar for them.)

Also remember that those same actors had just lived through one of the most horrific wars in the history of the world, and you can still see the scars in the cities they live in and in the actors themselves. Though I don't want to make it sound like these films are simply historical curiosities - I believe they're much more universal than that and can teach us much about the present day - in a way, they feel like a time machine of sorts that can show us life in a different era.

Many of them are very specifically about the socioeconomic conditions in Italy during and immediately after the war. I don't think you have to understand the historical context to appreciate them, but it does help.

Besides that, I'm also a big fan of films that bring attention to social injustices - and to the "forgotten" men, women, and children of the world. This film in particular is about how the institutions set up to "rehabilitate" are often actually criminogenic - a topic that's still extremely relevant to this day. The film does set up a somewhat implausible "frame-up" so that we have no doubt about the boys' ultimate innocence, but the consequences of their time in prison are very realistic: by being forced to associate with other boys who committed far greater crimes and who are considerably more "hardened," they are undoubtedly made worse by their time in the center. In other words, the juvenile detention center exacerbates any problems they boys may have, rather than doing anything to help rehabilitate them. Bad things happen when you mix together boys who did something as relatively harmless as selling stolen goods and boys who killed their own parents.

It's also about the uncompassionate nature of the "justice" system, and a condemnation of the attitudes of those who prefer to try to bury problems away rather than actually dealing with them - even if, in doing so, they end up making the problem much worse. It's about those who say "well, these criminals are bad because they're criminals, so who cares what happens to them" (a line you still often here to this very day.)

I suppose on a clear day you can see the class struggle from here

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I just watched it. It's very overrated. The acting is wooden. The script is weak. The ending was bad. It felt unfinished.

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I just now watched SHOESHINE and am overwhelmed.

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Ha! Found you! :) I also have just watched it and found it to be remarkable.

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This evening I have just watched this excellent film. Checked it out from my town's public library this afternoon. Contextually dense to observe a film so fresh produced immediately following WWII. Unintentional meta-dramas. The tragic conclusion (inescapable for the genre) hijacked me emotionally. Despite the calculated guile of the plot, I was ambushed. Brilliant film on many levels. Excellent camera work. Beautiful contrast.

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