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Can't believe this is a four-star film


I saw this listed on Sundance recently, rated as a four star film.


No way . . this movie does not hold up over the decades. Of course the subtitles were worthless as well. Maybe a 3 star movie?

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All thoughts are of course subjective. I personally felt emotionally moved by such courage and fervor, as well as the realistic cinematic portrayels contrasting both character and camera. The subtitles may have been a tad brief but they were still effective in carrying the story. Rossellini remains an Italian Film revolutionary in my books.

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I can understand the relevance of this movie in the historical context in which it was made.

I can understand that is one of the very first manifestos of the Italian Neo-Realism.

But as the OP said it, I don't think this movie have aged well. IMO have lost much of its original impact.
Don't get me wrong, I like neo-realist movies. I think Umberto D. is a wonderful movie as some other neo-realist films are. But IMO "Roma, città aperta", haven't passed the test of time.

However it remains as an interesting movie from a film history point of view.

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That's because it needs a true restoration. If it got one there would be no doubt that it deserves the highest accolades.

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I saw this film last November and can't remember a bloody thing about it . That probably sums it up

It is of course a contribution from Italian neo realist cinema which is one of the cinematic movements like German expressionism and French new wave that you'll learn all about if you do a university film course . I think these university courses use these examples to keep the plebs away . Heaven help someone attending a university course who's into films featuring explosions

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Haha, there's an explosion featured in this one, and it's quite important.

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For sure you have to give a few extra points to the oldies whenever they made it thru so many decades. I'ts quite silly to put them up against what's called masterpieces of our times. Yet, being Rosellini a very reputed director, I have a complain from the very beginning when the counter intelligence chief while around his desk he sort of seats on it assuming a very awkward posture which, on top of everything else, gives him such a gayish looks you can seldom find in a german or whatever soldier, if ever.
A minor sh$t but....
On the whole it's hard not to see here the same comon places found in so many films about the japs atrocities.
And a bit schematic at that, too

If pigs had wings the sh*t of this world would be perfectly shared

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He was supposed to be very gay and so was his secretary. It was not unusual to make evil characters homosexual. In reality a lot of top Nazis were homosexual anyway.

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Yes it did seem like a deliberate attempt to make that Nazi look like he was gay.

"My rule of thumb is, what Siskel and Ebert like, I don't, and vice versa." David Lynch

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Apparently it goes like this:

Nazi = Evil
Gay = Evil
Gay Nazi = Super Evil

I don't think he was evil enough though. They should have also gave him a big moustache he could twirl. You know, in case he was in the mood to tie some Italian damsels to a railroad track or something.

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Did Rome, Open City kill your father and rape your mother?

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I couldn't disagree more with your disagreement.

This film is an overrated mess.

I saw it on TCM. It took me an hour and a half just to get through the first hour, because I was constantly having to rewind it to look more closely at the faces to see who was who, or to read the subtitles, some of which were 2/3 or more off the bottom of the screen, requiring some mental gymnastics to figure out what they might be saying. Then of course, the director or producer or someone felt it was important to have actors saying things that they later decided didn't need to be put into the subtitles at all. Now, that's just being a dick. It's extremely annoying. On top of it, the sound is bad, and the picture is bad. Many silent films look better than this.

I learned more about the plot to this film just now by reading Wikipedia than I did by watching it. Even if the Wikipedia article is pure fiction, at least it can be understood, unlike the film. That's the mark of an exceptionally poor film.

I give it 5/10, a score I reserve for films that are so bad that the filmmakers were probably trying to make a bad film to annoy the audience.

The more I think about it, the less I like it. Here is a propaganda film, in which two key Nazis are represented as gay and lesbian (despite the Nazis' notoriously harsh treatment of both) and they are responsible for the deaths of a priest, and a pregnant straight couple. It's revolting when you really think of the message this is sending.

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What kind of idiot complains about the fact that they print they got to view is a bad print and complains about poor subtitles and uses those things as the basis to say a movie is a bad movie. Idiotic!! And the idiots who say a film has not aged well or has not stood the test of time! Idiotic. Get some brains. A film made in 1945 is not simply going to be able to have the same quality of film or action of effects as a film made 25 or 50 years later. You have to evaluate a film taking into consideration the conditions and technology and techniques available at the time. This is so obvious, I can't believe it has to be said to the people here on IMDB. If you couldn't follow the characters, you are probably a pretty dense person. This movie is very impressive considering the equipment available when it was made and contains a pretty interesting story with a poignant ending. I rate this film as about 9/10 and in my top 105 or 110 films of all-time and I have seen all 250 of the films in the 2012 Sight and Sound Critics list. I'd say it is probably the O. 6 Italian film of all time after L'avventura, Bicycle Thieves, 8 1/2, Umberto D, and The Leopard just ahead of Le Dolce Vita and Divorce, Italian Style.

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Finally an intelligent response to the ignorance shown in these overall comments! Thank You!

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How can you even take a "star" rating seriously? Same goes for the IMDB rating. There are too many factors involved in making a film "good" or "not": historical relevancy, originality, complexity both technically and thematically, universality and yet, regardless of all these things, no matter how profoundly you look at it, in the end, it all comes down to subjective feelings about a film.

YOU believe the film doesn't hold up after all these years, but seem to forget about it's historical setting and ground breaking technique for the time. Does this mean the film was a "five star" film at the time and simply a "three star" film today because it can't be watched in 3D!?

I absolutely despise such ratings, any rating in fact that uses some sort of numerical or iconic system is ridiculous, how can you put a number on a work of art? There are no specific criteria that can be precisely tallied. It either is, or isn't. Is the dialog shallow and meant for a cheap laugh or does it hide a deeper meaning, is the camera work flashy and frantic or complex and relevant to the film's themes? Is the director trying to make you forget about your problems for two hours or is he trying to make you think about something else, ponder, analyze?

Anyway, what I'm trying to say with all this is, don't put all your faith in numbers or cherries or squirrels and tomatoes, or whatever funky idea some critics and non-critics use... in the end it'll all come down to what YOU think about the film and how you are able to see it from a distance, objectively. You can take it all at face value, or you can try and delve deeper in the films you watch... Those were my two cents...

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considering when and where it was made, and understanding that it most likely had little to no budget, I think it was quite remarkable

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.... it should have been a 5 star film!!!!

Although I can understand the objections brought up by many of the posters, you have to drop all your preconceived notions caused by Hollywood brainwashing and see it within the context of the era and the lack of resources to make films in postwar Italy.

It is indeed primitive, melodramatic and jumps around a lot, but once you get past that, it's a well acted and very engrossing movie with some sly humorous asides in the first half. I'm sure a proper restoration and improved sub-titles would really make it an even better viewing experience.

Of course the "I hate subtitled movies" set and hard action fans would never be caught dead watching a movie like this, so I'm not preaching to them. But people with an open mind or with international tastes or who have an interest in the history of film, might be convinced to give it a go.

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I don't think this movie have aged well. IMO have lost much of its original impact.

I can understand your point since Rome: Open City was made in the closing months of WWII and released in September 1945, so the original impact would have been stronger as the audience would have experieced the horrors and fears the characters go through. However this does not mean Rome: Open City has no effective impact on the audience of today. Due to the dire situation we are shown and the performances we feel their pain and disgust.

"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not".

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Agreed. This didn't age so well.

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I agree that it is too unfair to a rate it a four-star film, for all it's importance and transcendence in cinema history, no wonder this masterpiece is a 5/5 star film.

Or 10/10 as you prefer.

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