Too saccharine


Am I the only one who felt that Larry was a bit self-righteous and irritating? I'm all for 'finding oneself,' but somehow his plight seemed overly-sentimental and artificial to me.

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Read the book. It is a little different. I actually liked his character. Every one was so selfish and he was the only one who seemed to try to be kind. Isabelle is so nasty I don't know what he ever saw in her. Even in the of the movie she treated the Anne Baxter character mean. He should of gotten rid of her a long time ago. I think just because of the meaness of everyone around him he seemed self rightous.

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I agree with your rebuttal. Larry is a charming playboy in the beginning, who is not satisfied with what life offers and demands of him. He is more relaxed in Paris, but truly transforms in India. In a sense, he is a new character with the same history.
He is by no means self-righteous, as he constantly conveys how he doesn't have all the answers, he wants to share his knowledge with those who can benifit from it, and he still gets frustrated and upset, but he uses his experience and knowledge from his transformation to refocus. It is a struggle that he admits is not easy. It would be easier to stay on that mountain in India, but he must be " in the world" among others who do not share his enlightenment. He also empathizes with the other characters' plights because he has been on an emotional journey that encompasses a wide scope of varied perceptions. The character of Larry is deep and complex, and Tyrone Power did an amazing job.

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I have read and heard comments about the Larry character. It is sad to see so many cynical opinions. This is a man who life was spared in WWI. If I remember correctly from the book someone actually saved his life or he was a only survivor. That alone in reality would change a persons prespective. I think that is why most of his friends were so shallow and he didn't seem to fit in, because before the War he was like them but afterwards he was not. His journey was to find out why he lived and to make life better for all. It was not a false transformation, which I do see in some movies but a genuine one because of his expereinces.

My aunt was a only survivor of a plane crash over 20 years ago in which killed over 100 people, the man who sat next to her dragged her out of the plane and he eventually died. You would think if you talked to her she would feel lucky, she doesn't. She feels terrible and wants to know why she lived. She doesn't believe it just was not her time, she believes it was a terrible thing that happened to the dead passengers. So I can see how the character was well written in the book and how he arrived at a different place where his friends were at. One of the reasons I feel the people who watched the movie are very cynical about Larry is because they only briefly touch upon his war expereince which is a big mistake. I think he mentions it only once. It is very odd that no one in the movie even brings it up. I mean we have a feeling he was away from his friends for a while but they never really get into it. BTW I think Tyone Powell is one of the most underrated actors ever, I suspect because he was so good looking. But he comes from a acting family. I have seen him in bad movies like the Eddie Duchin story but never seen him give a bad performance. And I think Clifton Webb deserved a Oscar for his role ecspecially his last scene, what a screamer. There is this stupid show on TV called "you want to be a Hilton. Every week people get eliminated, and she eliminates them by say "You're not on the List". Every time I see that I think of the last scences of the Razor Edge and Clifton Webb hysterical because he wasn't "on the list"

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A soldier in WWI sacrificed his life to save Larry's. Larry not only wanted to know why he was the one to live, but how can he honor the life of the dead soldier. He felt he had to make his life as useful and meaningful as possible to honor the sacrifice another made for him. That man's gift of life had to have a purpose and Larry felt that debt. It's easy for some people to find fault with Larry because he chose kindness, peace, love and communion with God, yet he was still a man in a world that could not understand him. People like Larry are shunned in this world yet we could not do without him. Tyrone Power gave an excellant performance. It almost looked as if he learned from the character as the filming progressed. The entire cast was excellant in my opinion.

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I agree. But Larry's biggger problem was that he had the get past the obsticle of his childhood friends. I had a feeling that Larry was still different from them even before he went off to fight. Remember he was always very close to the Anne Baxter character( I can't think of her name) and I think even if he did not have that profound experience during WWI he still would of helped her I think the real meaning of that incident was to bring out the Larry that was always there. He was always very kind, but that incident inabled him a second chance to see things more clearly. Case in point the ex girlfriend I believe before he went to fight he overlooked her obvious faults and mean streak, and she expected that. But since the incident he was able to not just overlook those traits he was now able to get past her. I think that, his abiltiy to see things clearly and to put his kindness to good use something that he was not able to do before was the real meaning of the effect of his life bein saved had. So even though to Larry wanted to find out how to make life more meaningful, his true calling is what he was already doing. Making other people's lives more meaningful.

He made the Anne Baxter's person feel like she was wanted, even in death he made sure she ws not just forgotten. His ex's hubby who was a shell of a person because he lost his money, Larry was able to make his life more meaningful. Even Clifton Webb's character, he indulged him in the end so he would die believing that all of those dumb parties he went to and showing off for his friends just to be accepted was not meaningless and that people did not think he was the jerk he really was simply by getting him that invitation before he died.

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Very intelligent and insightful reply. You made me think even deeper about the character. It would be nice if movies today could inspire such thoughts. Thanks a lot.

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You're Welcomed. I am very flattered. I just want to say that I feel that is a on going theme in the Somerset Maugham writings that I have read. Searching for a meaning to life or purpose.
Just look at The Moon and a Sixpence. It was supposedly based on Gaugain life, but his life happened to fit Maugham's theme. It is not a wonder that he used his life as the basis for Charles Stricklands. Looking for purpose and meaning.
Of Human Bondage, Philip Carey looking to fit in and find a purpose.

All three characters also looked initially in the wrong places for it. Midlred and the big city, in Philips case. Isabel and most of his old friends in Larry's case. And Paris in Charles Strickland's case. Now I am going to read the Painted Vail next. I can bet the same themes is running through this book from the synopsis of it.

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The characters of Gray Maturin (John Payne) and Somerset Maugham (Herbert Marshall) were certainly not mean. Larry was almost too good to be true. Power was a fine and underrated actor, but I don't think this was one of his better films.

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One of the main threads through most of Maugham novels and short stories is how the rich British or Americans thrust themselves on other people's cultures, like intruders. And here is not exception. He liked Larry because he cared about people and what was going on around him. He tolerated everybody else. Read any of his writings. Not just the movies. You get very little of his feelings from the movies. Particularly The Letter and Of Human Bondage


Read Rain and The Letter and the Painted Veil. He has nothing but contempt for Leslie and her husband in the Letter and the preacher and his wife in Rain. They were intruders who forced their way of life on perfectly happy people. Read Of Human Bondage. The main character was a cripple but he was contemptuous. A snob, some woman commits suicide over him. The part you see in the movie is just a snippet of the book. Maugham puts himself as the voice or reason, the observer. Nothing any different in the Razors Edge.

IMO Clifton Webb stole the movie. But Tyrone Powell is one of my favorite actors, underrated because of his good looks, like Cary Grant.

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I confess to not havceing read other Maugham works, so I can't comment on your points.

I do agree wiht your view on Clifton Webb's exceptional performance as Elliott Templeton. In fact, the casting in general of the leads was just oustanding. I'm including Tyrone Power, Gene Tierny, John Payne, Anne Baxter, Webb, and Herbert Marshall. I probably liked the two older actors- Webb and Marshall the best. But Payne had Gray Maturin perfectly and was underrated for his performance.

I think you meant Tyrone "Power" not Tytone "Powell."Yes, I agree he was underrated, but you look at his films, and just about all of them were successful.

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Yes Tyrone Powell. His films did very good but I think he was underrated as a actor because of his looks.

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I never heard of Tyrone "Powell." What's your problem, boy, in your difficulty with his last name- "Power"? Or are you just trying to be a punk?

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Power. Brain strain. If I told why I call him Powell not just now but other times you would not believe me.

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Ok, let it go.

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I see you made this posting June 5 and here it is February 6 but I rented this movie because I was in a Tyrone Power mood after seeing Eddie Duchin (even bought the DVD) and was totally disappointed in the "self-righteous and irritating" script. YIKES, simply ridiculous and yes it was "overly-sentimental and artificial". Couldn't have said it better. Love classic movies and if you have any to suggest, please do. Lolly

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The film is just shy of brilliant.

I just watched it again, after not having seen it for 20 years.

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I didn't think so. There is an old saying that goes something like this "...simplification is the ultimate sophistication..." I am no guru, sage, preacher - but having been in war and dealing with the random thoughts of "how come I made it; why did he make it? - this guy had more to live for than the rest of us why didn't he make it? IF I make it I am going to do something with my life!" I can understand Larry's character. He realized that he didn't have all the answers, but the answers he had made him a better person.

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This is my second favorite movie of all time. First being, Now Voyager. I absolutely love this movie and what I am going to say cannot compare with all the insightful messages I've read. I saw it this morning on AMC and love the characters and the casting was excellent. Yes, I believe Larry's war stint changed him completely. A man died saving Larry's life and this is what started him thinking about the true meaning of life. I have this movie on tape and am going to watch it today and try to really listen to all the words he is saying. He loved Isabelle because in the beginning he was young and extremely attracted to her. Gene Tierney was most beautiful in this role. Later on he remembered Sophie as being a poetic soul much like his and I believe this is why he wanted to redeem her after she went downhill due to the loss of her husband and little girl. Ann Baxter was perfect in this role as she was in All About Eve. You can see the actual change in her personality as the film progresses. Clifton Webb as Uncle Elliot is wonderfully pompous as usual in all his roles. Love everything he has ever done. (Laura, Sitting Pretty, Cheaper By the Dozen, etc.) I also noticed all the religious overtones in the movie and I liked it so much being raised Catholic and taught many of these precepts in my youth. Life was pretty much like that in "the good old days". I could go on forever about this movie, but I better not.

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Life can be odd and sad. The first time I read this board I thought I understood Larry's feelings of honoring the man who sacrificed himself for him in war. Now from a terrible experience in my life I really do understand his quest. My son was injured in Iraq in an IED attack, his gunner was killed in the attack. For a long time after this incident my son talked about honoring his gunner. He did get to honor him by attending his funeral at Arlintgon Cemetary, but this is a true feeling that soldiers have when they have survived an incident when one of their friends didn't. It could be PTSD from having seen death that close, but it is a true and I might add honorable feeling. My son is a hero for trying to save his gunner in the incident.

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Oranges,
I hope your son finds peace and happiness. I am grateful to those who had to face the fire for our country, especially those that will carry permanent memories like that.

I just don't get those questioning Larry. The war incident is a huge event in a person's life, and I totally buy into 'the search' after such an experience. Think of it this way--how big is the search? Gene Tierny looked into his eyes and sort of said, 'I love you, come with me', but he didn't. I'm pretty sure she could've commanded me to walk off a cliff and I would have done it because she said so!

That being said, the movie does sort of give a saccharine treatment to Larry's experience, not really hammering home the pain. I guess if they did that it would change the whole scope of the movie.

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I didn't find it saccharine at all. First for the comments you already made. Second, Larry was not trying to be preachy and change anyone's mind. In fact it was the other way around. Gene Tierney and her uncle wanted him to become 'normal.' His quest was something he simply felt the need to do.

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This film substitutes sentiment for depth. It's artificial. It "tells" me that Tyrone Powers' character is on a passionate quest to find meaning and his place in the world, but neither the script nor the peformance of Tyrone Power makes me feel that passion. The characters are bloodless. They have no real emotions. In this film, even a descent into alcoholism and drug abuse lacks intensity.

Clifton Webb is always worth watching and his performance as Elliot is both funny and poignant. But even the great Clifton Webb can't save this film.

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I really enjoy message boards as I love to share ideas about something in which we're all moved...to one side or the other.

Frankly, it amazes me to read anything negative about the acting in this film. I think it was very well casted and even better acted...all the way around. This was one of TP's best efforts, IMO. Baxter and Webb were also outstanding, and I agree that in this film Webb was probably more deserving than Baxter for award consideration, but perhaps failed to score because of the similarity to his role in Laura, although I felt it to be improved in Razor's.

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I really enjoy message boards as I love to share ideas about something in which we're all moved...to one side or the other.

Frankly, it amazes me to read anything negative about the acting in this film. I think it was very well casted and even better acted...all the way around. This was one of TP's best efforts, IMO. Baxter and Webb were also outstanding, and I agree that in this film Webb was probably more deserving than Baxter for award consideration, but perhaps failed to score because of the similarity to his role in Laura, although I felt it to be improved in Razor's.

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I found Larry a very interesting character. I really enjoy post WW1 literature and a lot of themes deal with the shock of the generation which went through a war the like which had never been seen before. It seemed that so many young men who came back were shattered with a kind of on going shell shock which made them question their lives and the futility of the lives lost. Interestingly Herbert Marshall served in WW1 alongside Ronald Colman and both were severly injured with Marshall losing a leg. I feel that Larry just needs to make more sense of the world than the world of society and ambition that Isabel craves. Having loved reading Of Human Bondage I will definitely read this.

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I think the script's shallow treatment of Larry's spiritual quest and enlightenment really undercuts the character of Larry and the ultimate meaning of the story. Larry just comes across as dillentantish and foolish, despite the seriousness of his motivation. And I don't think Power brought much depth to his performance. He just comes off as handsome, well spoken, and well dressed. I think a more soulful actor like Montgomery Clift who could give a searing introspective performance could have done wonders with the role.

I watched the movie for the first time last night and I thought at times Larry was being mocked and sent up like the other upper class characters in the film. Especially when he took jobs working in the mines or on steamers. All I could think of was the movie Sullivan's Travels and how that film makes a point of how silly it is for a wealthy person to masquerade as a poor person because the poor are supposedly more inherently noble.

Sophie was the heart and soul of the story. I'm intrigued to read the novel though, as I suspect Maugham was able to go into more depth than 20th Century Fox was.

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Yes, Maugham went into a lot of depth about Larry's character in the book- much moreso than the film. And yet, I found that to be the least interesting part of both the book and the film. I found the other characters and the interaction between them, including Larry, to be more interesting than Larry's search for truth. I liked the characters of Maugham and Elliott the best. But Isabel and Gray also were interesting.

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One thing that was in the book that really wasn't covered in the film, is the effect that the Larry character had on the narrator Somerset Maugham. In the book Maughm treats all of the characters as silly and frivolous with the exception of Larry. Tyrone Power's role of Larry may have been done better by somebody else, but the inner thoughts of the narrator could not all be conveyed in a film. It was a thinking persons novel which is hard to convert to screen.

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It was a serious book, but I don't agree that Maugham treated all the characters except larry as silly and frivolous. Elliott was snobbish, sophisticated, and in certain ways frivolous, but he was also quite astute and smart, and certainly not silly. Neither Isable nor Gray were silly and frivolous. Nor was Sophie who suffered from alcoholims and drug abuse, after losing her child and husband.

I don't know that Larry had any effect on Maugham, but Maughmam was certainly interested in Larry's adventures and search for truth, wisdom or whatever else he was searching for. I thought the film's treament of Larry's mysticism, search for truth or however you want to characterize it was the least interesting part of the film. Power was the right actor for the role, but the role did not come across well on the screen. In fact, I skipped certain parts of the novel, bnut by no mens all, whne the subject was Larry and his travels. I much preferred the interaction between and dialogue of the other characters- Isable, Gray, Sophie, Elliott, and Maugham himself. The casting was perfect. Gene Tierney had Isable down pat. Gray was perfect as the hulking, loyla, unimaginative, but lovable Gray. Marshall and Maugham were interchangable. Baxter had Sophie's descent to the nadir very effectively. And the very best was Webb's portryal of Elliott Templeton.

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One of my favorite films and I don't find it saccharine at all. Loved the entire cast. Only negatives were: I would have appreciated more scenes of Larry in India and that those scenes would have included the spirituality of the place itself especially the mountains, etc. I am surprised that there are criticisms of Tyrone Power's performance. I thought he captured what Maugham was trying to say - that the pathway to self-knowledge is not an easy one and that everyone has good and bad in them. There are some wonderful moments where Tyrone's face is lit as if he is Moses who just spoke to that burning bush. Wonderful stuff. And for those who criticize the camera work etc. With the exception of those mountains, the entire film which represented several countries and many cities,including Paris - was shot on the lot.

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