Should be shown in schools


With all the focus on self improvment, academic achievement, and the new social research indicating a 'lack of empathy' among the new generation. This is a good movie to watch.

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I agree but the schools are worried about offending minorities who don't believe in angels. So it's not going to happen.

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Figures, the PC Police could even find this movie offensive.

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The PC Police again? What, are you obsessed with the thought of people trying to create a better society? Is everything old, the status quo, all the nasty old assumptions we took for granted, not up for reexamination? Or should we keep America Bad Always, just like in the Good old days.

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Because they're creating a worse one in every way

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Should all books in English class that reference angels, or a character that believes in a higher power be banned also? If taken to extreme, a good deal of great works in literature would not be read for fearing to offend.

Why should movies be held to a higher standard?

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"should all books in English class that reference angles..."

Those books are in math class.

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🙂 thanks

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I'd never have thought of this film in those ways. I see it as a man who does good by being good and temporarily looses his self belief. It's more likely to be banned because George's way of doing business is so community orientated it borders on socialism.

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I'd never have thought of this film in those ways. I see it as a man who does good by being good and temporarily looses his self belief. It's more likely to be banned because George's way of doing business is so community orientated it borders on socialism.

But you have to remember though that at the time there wasn't as many things back then to help the poor. I think in the later part of the movie near the end there is food stamps but I don't think things like rental assistance or even Welfare were around yet. Even if they were I doubt there was a nearby office to apply for them in wherever Beford Falls was.

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This is the last movie that should ever be shown anywhere. It's a Wonderful Life was panned and ignored by audiences at the time and later became a joke for decades, because it was sentimental claptrap that pushed self-sacrifice as a virtue and didn't have the guts to follow through on its own premise. A better screenwriter would've had George feeling suicidal, then having an epiphany in which he decides to stand up to Mr. Potter and then leave Bedford Falls with his family to finally live out some of his dreams.

Instead, the movie has him rescued by a deus ex machina, and then happily becoming mired in the same miserable circumstances that led him to his suicidal tendencies in the first place, because according to the movie's message, your life is defined by how much you fulfill other people's dreams and wishes, even if it comes at your expense and at great personal cost.

Another issue with this film is that it definitely has an anti-aspirational, anti-upward social mobility/populist theme. The underlying message is that it's a "sin" to want to move up and out in the world because you're a dreamer/not thinking of your fellow man/etc. This is one of the tenets of populism, that it's bad to want to rise above your station because then you're selling out the community (i.e., "forgetting your roots") or becoming an elitist.

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Not everyone can live out their dreams, and this movie certainly isn't the only one that covers that reality. As Dorothy found out, sometimes there is no place like home.

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Here is the problem I have with what you're saying.

If George's dreams had been super lofty, then the movie's message would've made sense and been understandable. For example, if he had wanted to be, say, famous governor, Supreme Court judge or movie star, yes, you're right--not everyone can achieve their dreams.

But he didn't want anything lofty. He just wanted to go to college, move to the city, travel a little and become an architect. That was it. Tens of millions of people were doing that very thing for decades already by the time the movie came out. Yet the movie played these goals off as being so lofty, as if he had dreamed of landing on the moon or meeting the Queen of England or something. It's this angle that makes me feel as if the movie was populist.

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.... if he had wanted to be, say, famous governor, Supreme Court judge or movie star, yes, you're right--not everyone can achieve their dreams.


That isn't what I meant. George's dreams were not unattainable, but sometimes people still can't live their dreams out. I gave up a lot for family reasons, but if I just went and did what I wanted right out of college, I would not have met my wife or had my two sons; all of whom I would immediately and gladly give my life for. My mother also would not still be living in her own home.

Sure, sometimes I've been a bit wistful about my life, but there has never been a single moment of regret nor would I change anything if I was given the opportunity to, although I concede my dreams were not as lofty as George's.

We can't be certain that everything would have been perfect for George if he didn't take command of his family after his father's tragic passing. George had a deep vein of character running through him. Had his brother not been able to go to college and instead worked the mines, had the Building and Loan folded and the many of his friends forced to live in Potter's hovels, would George have been able to enjoy his life as much knowing what he left behind? He also wouldn't have married Mary, and a good wife is something that no man should take lightly.

In any case, I don't think we should overthink this and look too deep for some meaning. I see this as a simple story of a man who didn't realize his dreams, but also didn't realize how loved and admired he was by his wife, kids, family, and friends.

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I just think that there is such a emphasis on success and status in America, it is a nice movie to remind kids that there can be other important things that can lead to a fulfilling life.

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Funny "lost" SNL ending for this movie.

https://youtu.be/vw89o0afb2A

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Funny the thread starter here deleted the account. Not willing or able to stand up to the argument is how I see it.

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I disagree, I think that under all the Capra-corn is a film for adults, and kids of high school age would miss most of the film's important points.

Because yes, this is a film about adulthood, and all its disappointments and re-adjustments and things that don't pan out and the inevitable changes of plan that life forces on you. Grownups understand that yes, sometimes what you get instead of what you wanted is actually better, but kids don't understand that. I think a modern coddled high schooler would look at this film, and just see someone whose plans are frustrated by reality, and feel even more frightened of growing up.

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It should be. It’s a great educational tool for how the stock market crash happened. And how banks actually work.

Potter buying people shares of the savings and loan for 50 cents on the dollar is the epitome of Obamacare’s “free healthcare for all”, Medicare for all etc...In the end Potter controls everything and people are forced into centrally controlled garbage housing that is a miserable hell. Just like Obamacare, the VA, Chicago, and everything else the Democrat party promises to fix. For free of course.

Unfortunately schools are too busy brainwashing ignorant teachers and students with non scientific garbage on climate whatever they’ve named it today. Tomorrow they’ll call it something else.

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Hey,you've been eating a lot of Fox news!

In fact, over 93% of your posts are about how bad the 'communist' Democratic party is. Little else is posted, how you feel about a movie etc.

I am watching 'From Russia with Love' btw....Great movie

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Still drinking the Russia Kool Aid? Guess who just gave up one the biggest international communist terrorists for a convicted drug addict basketball players. If you guess the communist Democrat party you’d be right.

Have the walls closed in yet?

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America can afford free health care for all .

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I saw this in the 5th grade, in school

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