Florence Bates


I really felt Florence Bates as Sophie Bellop, the buttinsky old Elsa Maxwell-style social gargoyle wrapped this movie up and tucked it in her purse. Gary Cooper and Ingrid Bergman were stunning to look at, of course, but I felt Cooper was let down by too much awful, cornball dialogue of the "mangy varmint" school while Bergman's character seemed to become increasingly annoying and hysterical, so hellfire bent on becoming respectable though acting completely disrespectable for the time period. But Bates, who often played the type of character she does here, was a complete joy, completely in command and stealing all her scenes.

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Have to agree on your remarks about Florence Bates in this movie. There was far too little of her in it, she really was a scene stealer here. Plus, she brought some excitement into a story that had been going on far too long already by the time of her first entrance!

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She was an amazing actress and a very interesting person. From her bio here on IMDb:

The American character actress, Florence Rabe, was the daughter of an antique store owner. She gained a degree in Mathematics from the University of Texas in 1906 and went on to a career in teaching and social work. She changed course after being persuaded by a friend to study law, and, passing her bar exam in 1914, practised for four years in San Antonio. When her parents died, she took over the business and travelled abroad extensively to acquire stock, all the while adding to her knowledge of foreign languages (she was, for instance, a fluent Spanish speaker). After the Wall Street crash of 1929, Florence sold the antique store and married Texan oilman William F. Jacoby. Jacoby eventually went bankrupt and the couple moved to California in the late 1930's, briefly becoming proprietors of a bakery.

At this time, Florence, a heavy-set woman of matronly appearance and well into her middle age, developed an interest in acting and auditioned for the part of Miss Bates in the Pasadena Playhouse production of Jane Austen's 'Emma'. This proved to be a momentous career choice. Her popularity became such, that she went on to leading roles with the same company, changing her name to Florence Bates as a nod to her perceived good fortune. In 1939, she screen tested for Alfred Hitchcock, who was sufficiently impressed to cast her as the demanding, imperious dowager Mrs. Edythe Van Hopper in Rebecca (1940).

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I agree, a fascinating background! She could really command the screen. As mentioned, she excelled in "Rebecca" at playing an impossible old dragon lady, and I also very much liked her performance, totally different, in "The Moon and Sixpence" as the landlady. One of those character actors, like Thelma Ritter, who could make the entire film worth watching just for her few scenes!

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Check out Florence Bates in "I Remember Mama", as a famous authoress, also a good performance.

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If my memory serves me correctly, she was THE FIRST WOMAN to pass the bar in TX.

In the frozen land of Nador they were forced to eat Robins minstrels. And there was much rejoicing.

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One of my favorite character actresses. Loved her in Rebecca and I Remember Mama, but I think my favorite was when she teamed up with Cuddles Sakall in Lullaby of Broadway.

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She was wonderful and absolutely gave the best performance. Flora Robson received a supporting actress nomination in this film but despite her exotic makeup and audacious casting, Florence Bates leaves the most vivid impression as something of an late 19th century Elsa Maxwell for the money set in America. She really deserved an Oscar nomination even if the part was quite small; I suspect she was one of the many small-part character players more appreciated by later generations of movie buffs than the moviegoers of the time.

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She also gave a small yet wonderful performance in "A Letter to Three Wives" as "Rita's" employer. She and Thelma Ritter (a favorite of mine) were incredibly talented and too often unsung actresses. Thank you for providing Ms. Bates' fascinating background.

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Let's not forget Ms. Bates' remarkable life and career went out with a bang with her only two (but very memorable) appearances on television: as the snobbish society matron that was her stock in trade on an episode of "I Love Lucy" and as as the loud, mean, zinger-mouthed complaint desk clerk on an episode of "Our Miss Brooks"! She did it all: stage, films, radio, and television!

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