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anyone else think this movie is a little scary?


besides me?

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yeah, it has creepy feeling parts. i think that's one of the things that i liked about it. It's wierd and sureal at times, a lot of the time.

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What seems scary might be the influence these symobls and images have on the collective Western psyche (see Jung).

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It was oddly terrifing! Some kind of baroque piece pf cinema.

http://www.ymdb.com/danielzu/l35175_ukuk.html

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Not at all. Ivan The Terrible is perhaps the most frightening portrait of power and megalomania in film history and it is in fact genuinely frightening and disturbing. If Eisenstein had got the chance to complete it, it would be moreso. The reported ending for Part III had Ivan walking stiltedly on a beach as an old man and behind him you would see Russia devastated.

The most scariest of scenes in Part I is the ending when Ivan is on that terrace and you see these lines of people like ants coming nearer and nearer to Ivan and we see Cherkassov bending his face towards them looking for all the world like Rex Ingram as the Genie of The Thief of Bagdad to the scores of desperate masses.



"Ça va by me, madame...Ça va by me!" - The Red Shoes

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The reported ending for Part III had Ivan walking stiltedly on a beach as an old man and behind him you would see Russia devastated.



This is fantastic. Thank you. I am enjoying the process of piecing together Part III in my mind using existing scenes as well as anecdotal glimpses like this one.


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The script for part III (together with his other scripts) was published in Volume 6 of Eisenstein's Selected Works. It shows Ivan triumphant over his enemies (Kurbsky included) with strong parallels to World War II. He is even likened in battle to Alexander Nevsky, who was Ivan's great great great great great great great grandfather. The tsar does reach the sea shore with his army, which was his primary goal throughout all three parts, and the tone is celebratory.
This said, Eisenstein may have deviated from the script while filming (there are some very interesing pieces in part I and II scripts which did not make the final cut). For example, interrogation of Heinrich von Staden or supposed appearance of Elisabeth I - for both of which there is footage - are totally missing from part III script.

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Me too! I felt sort of a visceral uneasiness throughout & savored every minute of it. ;)

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The coronation scene in the beginning with that huge man speak-singing an almost atonal song with increasing modulation creeped me out!

It reminded me of Tuvan throat singing.

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Haha! The Reader at my church does that occasionally. Russian Orthodox thing. (Well, obviously.)

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