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Sorry, just can't buy the two main characters.


I'm sure many readers will consider me a barbarian or worse, but the main problem of this film (for me) was the couple at the center: Garance and Baptiste.

Arletty was closer to 50 than 40 when this movie came out. She's obviously past her sell-by date, and has a face that could barely turn over the engine of a <<bateau-mouche>> let alone launch 1000 ships. Yet she has men crawling all over her.

And Baptiste is a wispy little guy with a face like a Punch puppet.

So it's very hard for me to buy the love triangle...or since it's French, actually more of a love hexagon.

Yes, the film is beautiful, the dialogue is wonderful, the supporting cast is outstanding...even the quality of the print shown on TCM was crisp and clear. But it's hard to get the believability factor going for me when the two central characters seem out of place.

Après moi, le déluge.

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Personally, I have to agree with your comments on Arletty's looks. In my opinion, Arletty, while hardly ugly, can barely be described as beautiful or enthralling. In fact, I found Nathalie far more attractive overall.

However, there are plenty of beautiful women, but Garance had something that very few other, if any, women possessed; a supreme confidence and aloofness that no one could take away from her. She is always smiling, always carefree, seemingly untouched by the things and people around her. Even when she becomes almost a property of the Count de Montray, she retains her supreme confidence, still unattainable, with the Count on his knees. Something like that can be very attractive and alluring to a man, more so than any sort of good looks.

As for Baptiste, I think its the pureness of his love, something Garance is unused to, that makes him so attractive to her. Not to mention overall, I thought he was a pretty good-looking guy (Garance commented on his beautiful eyes), a very gentle soul who could still defend her honor when necessary, and extremely talented. It was no surprise to me that he was sought after by more than one attractive women.

And of course, one has to question if Garance was ever truly in love with Baptiste at all. If she was, why did she leave him alone in the end, having probably ruined his family and perhaps even his career? And throughout the movie IMO Garance is painted as a creature who does not, and perhaps cannot, love anyone. Perhaps she only thought of Baptiste for he was the only man who ever turned down her charms and walked away from her, and after finally sleeping with him she no longer finds him so endearing.

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At the end, Garance leaves Baptiste in the boarding house so she can stop the Count from dueling (basically, murdering) Frederick. When she finds out that the Count is dead, what will she do? The ending is open on this point.

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I love film, but I too am left cold by this one. While visually beautiful, it doesn't engage me. This and The Three Godfathers I just don't get...

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Unbelievable posts on this thread. Perhaps one should not view this film until one has gone through puberty.

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There's always someone like this who can't believe someone else doesn't like one of their favorite films so has to resort to personal attacks in order to validate their opinion.

Not only have I passed puberty, but so have my four kids. I have read and spoken French for 35 years and have watched dozens and dozens of classic movies in many languages. Sorry you don't agree with me, but just express your opinion about the film and leave it at that.

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"Sorry, just can't buy the two main characters."

Wow, I'm sorry for you too.


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I disagree completely. Garance, thanks to Arletty's performance, is a more beautiful woman than just about any other in narrative cinema. And it is her very character, not her looks, that has the males of the story clamoring for her attentions.

And Baptiste is supposed to be a wispy little guy. I...don't see what the complaint is, here. Is there any evidence that his character is supposed to be something else?

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And Baptiste is supposed to be a wispy little guy. I...don't see what the complaint is, here. Is there any evidence that his character is supposed to be something else?
It's his wispiness that makes his re-entry into the Red Throat saloon and his subsequent ass-kicking of Avril so cheer-worthy.

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I thought that Arlety was miscast as Garance. She was almost fifty years old. We are supposed to believe that she is extremely beautiful and that all these men are stricken by her beauty. It sure makes you have to suspend your disbelief. Someone should have told her that she was too old for the part. If it had been played by a young beauty I think the choices would ring truer. I thought she looked like everyone’s mother. I looked her age up after seeing the movie and I wasn’t surprised to find out that she was that old. Does anyone know why she was chosen for this part?

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Hmmmm......who would you have play Garance in a remake? Lindsay Lohan "beautiful" enough for you??
What a marvelous idea. And Robert Pattinson for Baptiste. Have him chase Garance's carriage on horse back, pull her out through the window, and burst into song. Shoot the whole thing in dazzling color and record it in thunderous THX. That should please the Philistines and finally move this story back into the top 250.

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Her acting was good--she conveyed the extreme dignity and pride necessary for the role.
However, it is distracting when they have to use a soft focus every time there is a close-up. It is such a dead give-away and smacks of phoniness "a mon avis."
Knowing that Arletty was creepy in her personal life seals the deal--I would rather have seen a younger (in her thirties) and better-looking actress in the part, as long as she could also act.

If the actress were a little more delicate she would also make a more credible match for Baptiste, who does look a trifle odd as a love interest for the meaty Arletty. Looks like she could bend him into a pretzel.

The film is quite interesting but because of these and other flaws, I don't think it necessarily belongs in a Top 250 List. It is definitely no "French GWTW."


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I have no problem with the main characters and their love, looks and fecklessness. Love and attraction is more about availability and access (and I don't mean the physical thing) than perfect looks or being prime examples of respective genders. Not that I agree they are not attractive people--Arletty is absolutely beautiful, and is not acting as if she's near 50, whether she was or not...and I'm not sure that would matter, either; we are not to analyse her age, but see a woman in a mystery role. As for Barrault, he's a very French specimen, and wispiness is irrelevant. What do you expect, some dull Tom Cruise? The key to him is he's a strong 'feeler,' as is Garance; both want what they can't easily have, and that's the draw. I once had a girlfriend from France who was my French instructor at university, and there's something completely different about the culture, and every person who saw her of either gender seemed fascinated by her femininity and strange grace. No one else could play this--certainly no brazen modern starlet; this role demands subtlety a North American actress couldn't muster.

Perfect casting, compelling love story...and I can never forget even the slight lines of the pandering ruffians wagging their tails around ... uh, the tough guy, the duellist. Frédérick? That sycophantic laugh...

For a 3-hour B&W film shot so long ago in a mocked-up Paris, this is a phenomenal achievement making great films such as Citizen Kane seem slight. In my opinion only, of course. Is it not said that Chaplin was very inspired by Jean-Louis Barrault?

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Considering that letting older actors play characters who are obviously younger has been common practice in many many movies and that right up to superb Brideshead Revisited made in the early eighties where most actors still are ten to twenty years older than in the book this is extremely odd criticism to level at one movie and a movie like Les Enfants du Paradis at that - one of the best ever.

Yeah, right, Arletty was nearly 50 and most likely not older than 30 as Garance and Punch-doll-headed Jean-Louis Barrault at 35 plays a très joli garcon of let's say 19-21, but you'll find so many instances of this in other movies that it seems quite ridiculous to pick out Les Enfants du Paradis to criticise for it.

Fine with me if you have difficulties with this way of doing it of itself but then speak of it generally.

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Well for a middle-aged woman she looked lovely although I admit that I wasn't persuaded she was beauty personified. As to the actor playing Baptiste and the character of Baptiste - I found him adorable and thought the actor very handsome in an ethereal and vulnerable way.

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