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A great favorite - but I have questions


I would not rank The Bells of St. Mary's as the greatest movie of all time, but I guess I would have to say it is my favorite movie of all time. Certainly, it is the movie that I have seen the most in my life. Since it started appearing on local TV in the mid-1950s, I guess I've seen it 50 times. I try to make sure I watch it every Christmas season. (It's one of those movies that really isn't a Christmas movie, but has one scene, and one scene only, that takes place at Christmas, and since it is so beloved by so many, it has since become a staple for the season.)

Why do I love it so much? First of all, it brings back such memories of watching it as a young boy on late night TV with my Dad. For a Catholic parochial school student like myself, this was the perfect movie. My dad and I would always crack up at the scene of the first grade Christmas pageant. The little "director" struggling to lift Mary, who's about twice his size, onto the sawhorse donkey (catch the way that Bobby then casually, innocently, plays with "Mary"'s leg and skirt), and the goofy looking little kid playing Baby Jesus.

My favorite scene was when Mr. Bogardus goes into the church to pray, and the mutt who he has just helped across the street follows him in, and sits behind him, unbeknownst to Mr. Bogardus. Then the dog slowly starts to whine and yawn, until Bogardus finally turns around and sees him. I would be on the floor in nutty little kid hysterics, which would get my Dad started giggling as well.

Both of these scenes showcase director Leo McCarey's greatest strength, which comes through in many of his movies, which is portraying everyday people in everyday situations in the kindest, warmest, funniest light possible. Other examples of this: The scene at the beginning where Father O'Malley is waiting to meet all of the nuns on his first day, and they come into the room, one by one, and each time, Father O'Malley tries to sit back down, only to stand up again as each nun enters - he is quickly overwhelmed by the sea of black habits surrounding him. How many nuns taught at this school? Very funny.

As to the discussion on another page about Patsy's mother, that's an interesting thought about what it all means, and that is rather adult for a movie from the '40s, which may be why I always fast forward through all of the scenes with Patsy's mother and father; I find that whole subplot totally distracting from the rest of the movie. As a matter of fact, when local stations used to show this movie, they would often cut out scenes, and those scenes were left out.

Other questions: How did Sister Benedict get to be a Mother Superior at such a young age - Ingrid Bergman was about 30 at the time? Or are we to think that she's really in her 40s and just has an incredibly fresh face? And what about the sexual tension between her and Father O'Malley? Conscious or unconscious on all of the principals' parts?

The strengths of the movie have to be able to withstand two completely ludicrous plot devices: First of all, that Bogardus would out of the blue come around to the nuns' way of thinking and give away his building - OK, that's the whole point of it's better to give than to receive, the spirit of Christmas, etc. I can stomach that one, I guess.

But what about the Doctor deciding that Sister Benedict would recover better from her tuberculosis if she wasn't told about it, and was sent away to a dry climate without explanation? Is there any medical justification for this whatsoever? Of course, without this ludicrous judgment call by the Doctor, the entire last scene, of Sister Benedict's bitterness, etc. would have to be omitted?

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Tuberculosis was oftn a death sentence in the 1940s and Dr. McKay had no real idea of her attachment to St. Mary's and so he felt it served no purpose to burden her with the knowledge of her illness as she recovered. Even Father O'Malley didn't realize her distress at the reassignment at first.

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Speaking of being sent to a dry climate--

I noticed when I first visited the Old Tucson movie set that this movie is listed as one that made use of the location. This is verified on their web site, and the IMDB lists it as a location site as well. But I'll be codswalloped if I can remember any scene of this movie that takes place anywhere but New York (and filmed in LA)! What am I missing? Did they actually film Ingrid in her dry climate?

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As has been said, in another post, here there was a scene filmed in the Old Tuscon movie set, (presumably it would have been Sr Benedict's new home), but the scene was deleted from the final cut of the movie. It would be interesting to see what it was though.

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I think Father O'Malley knew full well what her distress would be, He certainly acted like he knew. That's why he tried to convince the doctor to tell her the truth.

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From movies, it seems that it was common for doctors not to 'come clean' with their patients, or the family about the seriousness of a condition. I don't know that it is an accurate view, but I don't think I would find it very surprising.

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Hi ! I too love this movie : )
There was a time when very sick people were not told of their illnesses, the thinking being that to know would lessen recovery: very different from today, when everything has to be out in the open, from a baby's literal entry into the world to a person's death, and everything in between. TB was also stigmatized; nobody wanted to talk about it. So, the fact that she was protected from the knowledge is in keeping with 1940s mores... and also helped the plot along handily ; )

I love the O Sanctissima scene... that song remains in my heart from my days as a Catholic choirboy in the 1960s...

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Concerning Sister Benedict being too young to be a Mother Superior. While this may true, as most Mother Superiors were more older and senior nuns, take note that in the film she is referred to as "Sister Superior". Given the fact that Saint Mary's was a poorer parish, it would stand to reason that they weren't assigned a Mother Superior, so the most senior sister filled in, in that capacity.

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Yes, and if it was just a touch of TB why couldn't she recover quickly and then step back into her role at St. Mary's? I guess it's because it was a plot device...

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This movie was made in 1945. Let's not over-analyze it, just enjoy it for the acting abilities of the entire cast, and try to keep some of the positive message in our hearts.

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Like its predecessor "Going my way", "The bells of St. Mary" is a typical "They don´t do them like these anymore"- movie; no sex, no drugs, no violence, just good hearted people living their everydaylife, and yet it doesn´t get boring for a single second. This is the kind of storytelling talent that has made Hollywood great and that seems unfortunately lost nowadays.

To mention one scene I haven´t seen anyone referring to, I always remember that one when O´Malley-Bing Crosby recalls his dreamy schoolmate Elmer to put an example of people whose talent is outside of the regular academic standards. Crosby tells it is as soft and tenderly as if he was singing one of his songs. Great acting, in my opinion.

And of course there is this marvelous subtlety with which a love relationship between O´Malley and Sister Benedict is being suggested without any spot of cinicism or irony, not even ambiguity. The expression on Bergman´s face when O´Malley tells her the truth is priceless. He´s just told her that she suffers a disease that in those days could be mortal, and yet she is utterly happy, because now she knows that O´Malley is sending her off for her own benefit. Simply wonderful.

And 7,5 is certainly a very low rating.

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This is my third favorite Christmas movie, after Holiday Inn and Going My Way in that order. Fourth is Love Actually and one of the few modern Christmas movies that I really enjoy. Obviously, I love Bing, but I agree with your assessment of 'no sex, no drugs, no violence'. It's not Christmas without these reminders of what is important in our lives. I think that the three mentioned Bing movies give us a great message for the season.

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The major deterioration in our society is profound. Time for a revival. But it could very well be too late.
Merry Christmas
God bless

Can you fly this plane?
Surely u cant be serious
I am serious,and dont call me Shirley

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What was the statement made to Bogardus from Father O'Malley about giving up the building to the nuns? "If I have to walk this way but once let me help others for I shall not walk this way again"

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Just a brief comment on how young Ingrid Bergman looked, too young to be a "superior".

A a former pupil of nuns, I would have to say that most had very good complexions, the result of not getting sun tans every summer, non-indulgence in smoking and alcohol, and non-use of cosmetics. They didn't touch their faces all day. Hence, they probably all looked younger than their years. Of course, we had no way of knowing their ages.

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Maybe you should pick another "favorite movie"...perhaps one that won't bother you so much with a subplot you have to fast forward through, and other plots you find ludicrous. Your favorite, really?

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Even wonderful movies can have their moments that require considerable suspension of disbelief. I also found Mr.Bogardius' gift of an entire building being built for his business a bitt over the top. I would think he might have given up his parking lot idea and promised to pay for all the school's repairs.

The doctor not telling the truth to Sister Benedict was jarring to me. I think it was just the need of the writers to create a sudden crisis and then have it totally resolved with a few words to create a sudden uplift at the end. They succeeded very well.

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