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I have yet to see this but it surprised me that Anthony Quin played a Filipino? Andres Bonifacio? I'm just wondering what people who saw this thought of all these white guys playing characters who are supposed to be Filipinos.



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Keep in mind, though, that not all Filipinos are Asian. The Phillipines became a Spanish colony in the 1500s. These colonial families did not always intermarry with native Filipinos, and it is certainly possible that there are European-looking descendents of these colonists still living in the Phillipines and who, since their families have been living there for almost 500 years, are definitely Filipino.

And Anthony Quinn, born of Mexican parents, does have a Hispanic look.

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Yeah I know. I'm a Filipina & I have Spanish ancestry on both sides & my grandfather was a guerrilla but Andres Bonifacio is very native, he wasn't of those European descendants, his son played by Anthony Quinn would've been more native looking I think.


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I don't think you really know Quezon's looks as opposed to Quinn's. I bet if you put them side by side, you will be astounded to Quinn's very Caucasian & large features. Have you seen the mestizo Filipinos in the Philippines even? They do not look close to Anthony Quinn.

I'm not sure you even know what Spaniards look like.

PS. I think that perhpas Filipinos dreaming that they looked like Anthony Quinn is a pretty sad thing, very colonial mentality.

As a mestiza, it depresses me that Filipinos do not take pride in their own. They think half this, half that takes priority over what is katutubong satin. Why is it like that? Do you think foreigners will respect you if you have no self-respect? People will only respect those who respect themselves & have something to offer the world, instead of the typical 'eh ganito lang kami eh.' Di ba kayo nahihiya sa sarili n'yo?



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My closest friend is a pure isulare Spanish.


^^^What kind of educated, well-bred & non-bigoted person talks like this? My grandmother was what you call an insulare & she was the product of her time & upbringing & tbh, she was not very educated nor enlightened person. You talk of your friend, I talk of my family.

Quinn even if mestizo played the son of Andres Bonifacio which would make him at most half native Filipino. Bonifacio was a small man, Quinn would not have come out looking as he did being the son of Bonifacio.

Also, for your uncle to have blue eyes, both his parents would require to carry the blue-eyed gene. I doubt Bonifacio carried that blue-eyed gene.

As for Caucasian looking mestizos, I see them too but they are not common & usually have little native Filipino ancestry, but I don't doubt we have Filipinos who have no native in them. I think you have a wrong notion of what is more Caucasian looking than another. Anthony Quinn is Caucasian looking yes but his body type & hairy nature is not indicative of Filipino phenotype, Indians are very Caucasian looking, unless they are mixed, I don't see how a mestizo or another Caucasian (say from Germany) can look more Caucasian than an unmixed Caucasian. I think you're confused with the concept of Caucasian & 'whites'.

I don't see why Quinn's depiction as a Filipino is such a biggie for you when its nothing out of the ordinary.


Let us be honest, it is out of the ordinary. 3 of my grandparents are all mestizos, 1 didn't even have Filipino ancestry while the rest had very marginal native Filipino ancestry but I am not delusional to think that a half Pinoy native can look or have the built of Anthony Quinn. I have cousins who are 6'4" both parents & grandparents Filipinos, but they look & are that built because they are mestizos. Andres Bonifacio wasn't a mestizo, let's be more proud & honest of our native side instead of parading as someone else, it's makes a mockery of Filipinos. If we respect ourselves & stop deluding that we are all mestizos, we would get ourselves off this slump & people would respect us more.

Uh-huh but you're displaying extreme post-colonial mentality as well. Thinking that being darker skinned and looking 'native' makes you more legit Filipino than mestizos and sangleys. That's worse.

I believe they cast Quinn for starpower and I guess its not as easy to find South Asian foreign actors back in the 1940's and have huge roles. Old films usually cast white actors to take on bigger roles meant to be for a different race. It's just wasn't the norm and its understandable. Quinn who plays Mexican roles isn't a stretch to play a Filipino character. It seems you're just reading into it too much.


Darker skinned? Is that what you think people usually consider to be native Filipino? I actually don't think most Filipinos are all that dark, I find that most are kayumanggi or tan colored, olive-skinned that has a propensity to get very dark under the hot sun. I think that you subconsciously assume that this is what most people refer to when it is not. I hope you realize that different ethnic groups rely much more on facial features & body type more than skin color. Also, when scientists study skin color variations, they look inside the arm or in places not exposed to the sun, a tan is not an adequate portrayal of skin color. I say Filipinos are blessed to be kayumanggi, we're not dark nor are we white, embrace it, don't be ashamed of it. People looked down on the Chinese & other East Asians just a few decades ago. In fact they were looked at & regarded in the same manner itas were, yet times have changed now because they have self-pride. Most Filipinos look down on Indians but a few hundred years ago, they were respected throughout SE Asia, & in a few more decades they will be regarded much more highly again because they know their culture & respect themselves. People generally don't respect people who have nothing to bring in the table & no self-respect, if we learned our own prehispanic culture more, loved our language a lot more, & loved the native Filipino look a lot more; we would improve ourselves & others would respect us more. That is the key, not deluding ourselves that we look like Anthony Quinn. Or a native with non-Caucasian ancestry can produce the likes of Anthony Quinn or someone with blue eyes. Look at how confused filams are & look how people ridicule them, di kaya nakakahiya, don't you think?

Why would they cast a South Asian to play a Filipino when native Filipinos are SE Asians, we look quite different from Indians, Pakistanis or Afghans. SE Asians are usually Austronesian.

I am aware of Old Hollywood films as I've watched more of them than most people, but nonetheless it is quite a difference to see Quinn playing a SE Asian.


PS. I just saw this post after you replied to me on another thread when I checked your history (I was excited to see another Filipino into period films, what can I say?).



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I dunno what a "real" Filipino should look like, but I was stunned that Abner Biberman was cast as a Japanese officer. WTF!

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Interesting that they did cast Fely Franquelli http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0291714/bio#trivia who was born in the Philippines (Manila). Looks like they were trying but probably there were not enough native actors available who spoke English and whose acting skills were good enough.

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And remember, lots of Caucasian actors of the time were playing Native American roles, or Japanese or Chinese characters. Quinn was cast as a Chinese in the film "China Sky" around that same time. Hollywood probably wasn't as sensitive about casting ethnic groups appropriately then as they are now

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I have often wondered that in seeing blackface in old movies. I'm like, was anyone convinced by this?
Granted, blackface was just lampoons, but still.

Quinn, like Myrna Loy, covered all nationalities and said early on he played an Indian. Before she became Nora Charles, Myrna Loy was every half-breed and nationality they could peg on her.

The Asian performances clearly peeked with Mickey Rooney in Breakfast At Tiffany's, but other favorites have been Gale Sondergaard in The Letter, was it? She come across as a female Fu Manchu.

And I saw Richard Haydn on an episode of Bewitched and he had on some incredible eyeliner. It finally dawned on me he was supposed to be Japanese.

That was a phenomenal stretch!

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For a real treat, please watch Flora Robson in Saratoga Trunk. I believe she plays a Haitian. The makeup is horrible.

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I think when I watch this nothing about Anthony Quinn comes across as strikingly Phillipino. He could just be New York Italian to me, wherever he was from originally.

But there's nothing strikingly distinct to make him another nationality.

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I don't have a problem with actors playing characters who aren't of their nationality. It may have been hard to find a qualified actor in the 1940s who was of filipino ancestry.

Abraham Lincoln, who is arguably the greatest American President, has been portrayed by non-Americans more often than by Americans.

Anthony Quinn was blessed with a face that gave him instant ethnicity.

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I remember coming across a description of Anthony Quinn in a John Wayne biography which summarised him as "Hollywood's all-purpose ethnic." Seems insensitive but accurate.

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