How do those credits work?


In this movie Frank Puglia as Tala has not been credited at all, but he is on the screen in many scenes from the second third of the film onwards and several times he has also quite much text. I don't understand why such a role and actor isn't in the list of credits at all while I found there ARE credited roles in other films less interesting, less important and giving by far less screentime to the actor.

That's my observation, but could someone who knows more about such things, please, tell me, how those credits in movies actually work?

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sometimes this web site makes mistakes...and its really hard to correct them, too

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Sometines it just takes patience to make corrections: Tom Steele in the excellent documentary THE REPUBLIC PICTURES STORY is one on his career as a stuntman.
Another addition I made was personal. Local(Wheaton, Md.) character actor told me he made his debut in ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN, but he was uncredited. He may also have been in THE EXORICIST II and III.But that's another story.

I am astonished at the number of credits Ben Johnson had before John Ford discovered him. I'm surprised Republic doesn't seem to have used him in their serials.

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Hi Guy,
was wondering who played Don del Oro in "Zorro's Fighting Legion"? Figured you'd know cuz U know so much.

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Long time no hear from. C. Montague Shaw played the Golden God Don del Oro. A very familiar face as somewhat stuffy professorial types, Shaw played one of Charles Middleton's henchmen in Dardevils of The Red Circle.

Speaking of ZFL, if you look closely in Chapter 11 when Zorro's calling for volunteers to rescue Kala, you can spot Clayton Moore in the foreground. Moore, for some reason, doesn't include the serial among his credits in his autobiography which I recommend--very gracious to his coworkers except for Bonita Granville, her husband and their choice of a new Lone Ranger.

Speaking of which: Johnny Depp as Tonto in a reported $250,000,000 version? You gotta be kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you run across the restored version of Daredevils of The West, you will find both Jay Silverheels and Chief Thundercloud who played Tonto in the two Republic Lone Ranger serials.

While on the subject of Westerns, did you notice character actor RG Armstrong died? I once read a short story by him in a book called The Girl In The Black Raincoat. It was in a collection of short stories and poems(I think) by students in a creative writing class. The professor had given them an umbrella theme of The Girl in the Black Raincoat and challenged them to write about it.
I took the idea and wrote a "doppleganger" story.

How are you writing and discussions groups going?

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Yes, I remember Shaw and I can see his face in my mind's eye. I have seen at least one of the Lone Ranger serials, the one that was meticulously put back together, I believe. That Johnny Depp one might be a hoot and then it might be stupendous crap. I think studios are just about willing to give Depp what ever he wants hoping he'll give them gigantic profits. I read, though, recently, the studios have pretty much come to the end of their monetary tethers bcuz they can't make enough profit shelling out a quarter of a billion. The new Batman, which wife and self will see in IMAX this weekend is the end of it as the WB spent a record breaking $400 mill on it. That seems to be what happens when the second film in a triology makes over a billion by itself.

I have never seen th Red Circle serial, but know it is supposed to be superb. I've seen The Shadow serial with Victor Jory and think it was beeter than the original Green Hornet. The Hornet movie of recent times was awful and just plain stupid. I've always enjoyed the Lydecker Bros. flix. They were the greatest of the FX guys of old.

No, I didn't know RG had passed. I used to talk with him about his go rounds with Peckinpah. I recently recorded, but have not yet watched, an episode of Alfred Hitchcock's Hour with RG in it as a relgious nut. Is there any other kind? Ha!

I just watched this afternoon Roger Corman's Poe triology "Tales of Terror" having not seen it in many years. It was fun.

I don't write much anymore but have been doing some ghosting for a real ghost; another ha!

Well, I've got to go for now so have a good evening and enjoy that final reel!!

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The Lone Ranger(56) has two interesting cameos: Kermit Maynard as the parson and Lane Chandler as an old timer. Maynard had a much longer career than his brother Ken but his movies were way down Gower Gulch. His later years were spent as an extra in such movies as North to Alaska where he drives a wagon during the mudfight. Chandler was luckier in that he became a much in demand character as did Bob Steele and Tom Tyler.

Armstrong seemed to excel at religious fanatics and other anal retentive types, and I would like to hear more about him. I remember seeing him in Stay Hungry in which he sported a godawful toupee. About the only time I can remember seeing
him in a comedy.

We rarely go to the movies anymore. It's not just the price but the extreme volume. Even taking my hearing aids out doesn't help. We enjoyed The Artist very much although my wife doesn't ususally like silent films. There was a piece of lush romantic music toward the end that drove me up the wall trying to identify it: "Love Scene" by Bernard Herrmann from Vertigo. The credits make no mention of the Hitchcock film, and I wonder how many other people recognized it. I'm still trying to figure out why they selected it for the film.

DOTRC was one of a batch from Republic run on tv in the 50's. One of the weird things about it is ace stuntman David Sharpe was apparently too valuable to do his own stunts. Of course, you also have Carole Landis who killed herself over Rex Harrison years later.

DOTRC reminds me of a job interview I had years ago with a man named Stanley Price, and I recognized the name immediately. Price was another of those longtime character actors as well as a dialogue coach. Republic often cast him as wild eyed fanatics and villains. The interviewer told me when the actor died, his wife got letters of condolences from around the country. On the plus side, he was a distant cousin of Vincent Price who he met at Ford's Theater when VP was doing a one man show about Oscar Wilde.

I recommend Corman's autobiography. Very entertaining. He has a new movie which I skipped.

The last time I heard from you you and your wife were in England. How was the trip?

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Thanx for all the valuable info, but I am afraid U have me mixed up with someone else; the person U think I am could be Hobknob53 who's wife is English and they spend quite a bit of time over there. Sorry U don't remember me as we have spoken on many things over the years.

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I thought I remembered you very well because of the exchanges we had in the past, and I thought you and your wife had gone to England. I do remember your moniker, though. I hit 70 in May, and my memory does fail me at times. Same birthday as the Dionne Quints and Ian Fleming.

Been watching lots of celebrities on old What's My Line episodes. Surprising who turns up: Eleanor Roosevelt, Frank Lloyd Wright, Erle Stanley Gardner and Salvador Dali among nontheatrical types. Dali and Gardner gave the panel a hard time. Gardner, like Jimmy Carter, was so little recognized the panel didn't need to be blindfolded.

Going back to Batman, my sister Lia lives in Denver and used to live in Littleton which is five miles from Columbine. In the years I worked for Sony theatres I never encountered anything like that massacre. Thank God. I learned a lone time ago to try avoid massive crowds.

The worst was on Honor America Day when the war protesters were fighing it out with the police on the Monument Grounds. The tear gas was being blown into the audience, but Bob Hope and company kept on with the show. I finally said to hell with it and went home. Mass chaos.

When RFK was shot, my girlfriend Cheryl wanted to go up to Union Station for when his body was brought in. I knew there would be a mob of people inside, and I gave her my wallet to put in her purse. Sure enough, somebody stuck their hand in my pocket. We were right up against the ropes for nine hours with the police and FBI in front of us, but I was too scared to say anything.

Two experiences I would rather forget.

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Saw "The Dark Knight Rises" 5 days ago and can't get it out of my mind. Just terrific! It might even be better than the 2nd one. It certainly ought to earn Bale an Oscar knod for Best Actor. I didn't think I could ever say that about a super hero flick, but this one certainly is not the usual go round ,; so many, many thoughts went into it and I don't think there could ever be one better. It will also be hard to match. It will really have to be something stupendous to get me back in a theater. It raises the bar so high I don't see how it can be matched. Certainly it won't be matched by Mr Nolan and Mr Bale; the both of them are on to other things. Interesting to note that Bale is doing a "knight" of another kind in Terrence Malick's "Knight of Cups" an allusion to the Tarot deck.

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I guess you liked the movie from the way you raved about it. I just finished watching the 1943 Batman serial, and some of it is funny when it isn't being ludicrous, especially J Carroll Naish's Japanese villain. It pales, of course, with the Republic serials although there are a number of actors and stuntmen who cross over--Tom London, Charles Middleton and Eddie Parker who doubles for Batman, among others. Parker also doubled for all the U monsters except, of course, Acquanetta who played Paula Duprez the Ape Woman.

My father met Aquanetta at a poetry reading some years ago in Phoenix. She had quit Hollywood and moved to Phoenix, married the owner of a car dealership and become active in philanthropy and civic affairs. Dad asked her if she didn't used to be in pictures and reported she was happy people still remember her.

Speaking of U horror stars I caught Lon Chaney Jr doing a variation of Lenny on Rawhide yesterday along with Marie Windsor. Windsor's the wife of nutty Confederate officer who wants to set up his own little empire out West. Of course, she makes the mistake of leading Chaney on just as Betty Field did in Of Mice and Men. Well, there are worse things than having Chaney kill you.

My sister Lia babysat for Windsor years ago during a celebrity tennis tournament in Lake Havasu. Windsor came to visit, and I think my stepmother was embarassed beccause she couldn't remember ever seeing her in a movie. Three of my favorite Windsor films would be The Killing, Hellfire with Bill Elliott and Forrest Tucker) and The Narrow Margin.

Something else I remember about that Batman serial--Bob Kane might have had a cameo as a newspaper boy/vendor.

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I saw that ludicrous serial U speak of back in a drive-in when the first Batman craze hit; I'll never forget Naish's line about "animated suspension". How funny is that?! U have a lot of nerve to sit thru the entire slopfest at one time. Amazing!

Something else I wanted to ask U about: you've said you have Asberger's; are U familiar with the only good thing on the SyFy channel called "Alphas"? David Straithern is the star of it and it deals with a group of sort-of super heroes who have many of the failings and foibles of ordinary humans and one of them has Asberger's. The show is not one my wife or self ever miss. It just started its 2nd season and if U want to tune in, it plays on Monday nights. But be forewarned, it is a serial drama and it might be difficult, at least at first, of following what's going on. I think you'd like it, though.

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Not familiar with that show mainly because the only series I watch at the moment is Rawhide which I never saw the first time around.

Actually I watched both Batman serials but not at one sitting. The first one has numerous familiar faces from Republic serials as I pointed out.

I don't remember if I mentioned Rusty Westcott before who was always a henchman in Columbia serials. He turns up in Welles' Touch of Evil as one of Welles' assistants and even doubles for Welles according to the commentary by Heston and Leigh. Another familiar face is David Sharpe who does one of his flying leaps to tackle Heston in the barroom brawl. Heston surprisingly neglect to mention working with Sharpe on that scene.

I caught part of an interview with Mel Blanc last night on the computer and found Irving Fein just died at 101. Fein was the agent for Benny and Burns as well as producer/writer for Benny's show. Blanc said he spent two years knocking on the door at WB before somebody finally gave him a break. The excuse was they had too many character actors for voice work already. Arthur Q. Bryan was the voice for Elmer Fudd.

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U must have a comfortable chair to watch anything of length on the computer. I don't care for it even tho' I have hi def monitor.

Don't know the Fein of which you speak.

I do watch many of the "Rawhide" shows even though I saw many years back. Don't remember them all. I watched the pilot yesterday and it was superb. "Incident at Barker Springs" I think was the title.

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Something else I remembered about Batman. Robin was played by Douglas Croft who played the young George M. Cohan in Yankee Doodle Dandy

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Much better film WITHOUT Ella Raines."Clara Cardell",much better.

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Much better film WITHOUT Ella Raines."Clara Cardell",much better.

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