... The part where Young Fanny finally stands up to Mama Fanny? I love how straightforward she was, and she was one of the few people in the movie to call Mama Fanny on all her crap. Yet at the same time she wasn't as angry or self-righteous as she could have been.
"Will you stop feeling sorry for yourself?! It's bad for your complexion!"-"Sixteen Candles"
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She should have added, "And speaking of Big Fannie, it's not a pretty picture from this angle!"
(Okay, I paraphrased that from a Golden Girls put-down, but it would've been hilarious!)
"Well, for once the rich white man is in control!" C. M. Burns
she should have done it along time ago...instead she did to her mother the same thing her mother did to her...besides didn't she care about her father anymore? she seemed to be going about her wedding even though her father was missing. two wrongs don't make a right.
Doncha know me Jim? I'm not Margret, I'm Edie. I didn't kill Frank DeLorca.
I've always thought that scene extremely well-played by Davis and Marjorie Riordan - there's no recrimination or blame in Young Fanny's declaration to her mother, only regret.
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Well said, Harold_Robbins. Young Fanny tried so hard to get reacquainted with her mother, but all Mother Fanny cared about was trying to recapture the past and forget the fact that she had a daughter at all. I think the scene that finalizes Young Fanny's attempts to be friendly is when Mother Fanny is writing out invitations to her dinner party and not only makes a backhanded complement about Young Fanny's dress, but basically tells her to make herself scarce so Mother Fanny's old suitors won't see that the town belle has a grown daughter. Young Fanny seems so defeated, and walks away as if to say, "Well, I tried."
"Will you stop feeling sorry for yourself?! It's bad for your complexion!"-"Sixteen Candles"
I definitely understand the perspective of people who have a "you go, girl" attitude toward what Young Fanny did.
I kind of felt as though she was kicking her mother when she was down though. Obviously Old Fanny regretted what she had done, and pleaded with her daughter that they have some kind of relationship, and the daughter basically said "not interested."
Obviously, it was what Old Fanny deserved.
I'd hate to think what it would be like if we all got what we deserved though - thank God there are people who show some grace to us despite our shortcomings. Too bad Young Fanny missed out on a chance to bestow a little of that grace to her mother.
Wonder what kind of marriage she had with Johnny, who was telling Old Fanny how much he loved her one minute, and was flirting with the daughter the next.
You're not entirely wrong, dustintehwind25. Still, Fanny Sr just annoyed me with her lifelong disdain for her daughter ("She's got all of Job's brains and none of my looks!") and her dismissive, neglectful parenting style. And don't forget that Fanny Jr DID try to get reacquainted with her mother, several times. Remember when she was making a flower arrangement for Fanny Sr homecoming from the hospital? George even says something like "I don't know why you're going through all the trouble, she's never been particularly nice to you". Fanny Jr wants desperately to connect with her mother, but Fanny Sr won't have it. After Fanny Sr FINALLY comes to terms with the fact that her town belle days are over, THEN she tries to make nice, but it's too little, too late. Fanny Jr got tired of waiting around. Life goes on, and Fanny Jr did too.
I admit I have a petty streak: I just love how Fanny Jr, dismissed as plain and boring from her own mother, stole her mother's latest boy toy.
"Will you stop feeling sorry for yourself?! It's bad for your complexion!"-"Sixteen Candles"
(SPOILERS!) I still get amazingly touched by that ending though. Even if I wish that the daughter had somehow found it in her heart to be kind to her mother, I think the fact that she didn't was part of Old Fanny's life's journey, part of the "growing up" process that she needed to have in order to finally become the selfless person she is in the last scene. The meeting with Job is supposed to be for her to work out some details about how much money she'll give him back, but when she sees what's happened, she doesn't hesitate for a split second in saying "you're home now with me" and fully realizes that "all this time I've been thinking of myself." She lost her beauty but found something of far more value.
And lets face it - if we look beyond the ending, we know that because Fanny and Job are back together, Young Fanny will undoubtedly reconnect with her mother.
No I didn't love that part. I felt an element of revenge coming from Young Fanny, thoroughly wasted on Fanny/Bette.
As far as Job went, just like he said, he had no right to be angry with Fanny/Bette because he knew that she didn't love him and he married her anyway. Young Fanny loved her father more (granted, because he loved her back), and she got to be with her papa, just as she wanted. (I did cry a little in the peppermint/strawberry ice cream scene).
If Fanny/Bette was really a b*tch, she would have hung onto the kid to spite Job and still neglected the kid, knowing he couldn't do anything about it. There are women who have done that. But Fanny/Bette wasn't really a mean person, however self-centered.
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I agree.
shareIn the movie it looks like young and old Fanny see each other twice or for a period of two days after the young one comes back from Europe.
One is when she interrupts her date with Fanny, the same day she gets sick and is rushed to hospital: time of interaction 15 minutes?
When she is back from hospital care, is the same day young Fanny announces her wedding.
The only period one could blame Fanny for not wanting to get to know her daughter was while she was battling and recovering for diphteria. Hardly someone could blame her for.
Everyone keeps saying how selfish Fanny was but she married Job, a man she didn't love, in order to save her brother from legal persecution. That seems pretty selfless to me.
Considering the fact that she didn't want to have a baby at all, I believe she did the best she could with Fanny Jr. under the circumstances. As someone mentioned, some mothers keep their unwanted children by their side just to spite their ex husbands. Fanny did what was best for her daughter and for Job, she knew they'd both be happier if they get the chance to stay by each others' side. It's far better to let your child live with the other parent if you know that you won't be able to provide appropriate care and attention to that child. Many women stay with their unwanted children and end up resenting them and emotionally scarring them for life.
Fanny Jr. is not a good person in my book. She stole her mom's boyfriend, didn't show interest in finding Job (the one parent she supposedly cared for) and decided to show resentment to her mother when she was already beaten down by illness. Similar thing happened to Davis in real life with her b1tch daughter publishing a book about her shortcomings just after the poor woman suffered a stroke. Life imitates art, some would say.
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shareyes, but the only problem was she was marrying the lamer that was her mothers boyfriend and the catalyst for the diphtheria as well. That taints the whole thing for me, makes Fanny Jr. a lamer too
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