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Romance between Granville and Marshall ?

posted 17 years ago by HoferPM-1
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I'm watching this movie on TCM now and I guess I haven't been paying strict attention to it, but I just saw Granville kiss Marshall. Was this a romance? She wasn't acting like her usual lively self in this movie and I miss that. I loved her Nancy Drew movies and I guess I didn't want her to grow up.

[–] kenn_honeyman 16 years ago

YOU MUST see this movie again!!!! There is a scene that explains the situation PERFECTLY!!! i had never seen this movie before today-the day after Thanksgiving... BUT i will NEVER skip this movie again!!! I know it's 'hokey' as all get out[it's supposed to be!].... BUT there is GREAT TRUTH in this movie!.... AND Ms. Granville had to have taken MUCH from this part to her real life[i hope you have seen her bio in IMDB, AND who wrote it!HA!].

I do digress!, SORRY!

If you watch the scene[this is the BEST, and Most important scene in the movie-for LOTS of reasons, imho!] where Andy is quitting college, and is at the bus station; who appears but Judge Hardy!!! Andy has gotten into MUCH trouble [being his NOBLE self!]; and he is taking the easy way out by QUITING! The Judge, and Herbert Marshall's character[who also "Magically" appears.... Together, talk Andy out of quitting by showing Mr. Marshall was about to quit when he was a student there, and Judge Hardy talked Marshall out of that.... NOW, FINALLY[the CROWD goes WILD, Honeyman is coming to da point!!!]] Marshall confesses to the Judge[after Andy leaves] that he ALMOST made a mistake... of FALLING in LOVE with Ms. granville's character..... The ever WISE judge replies that Mr. Marshall will be tempted by young co-eds drawn to the sophisticated, scholarly Dean, as a 'revolt' to the BOYS that are the co-eds age who are SO uncooth,etc, etc.[We find out that "Wainright College" has just started being co-ed or this first semester, and that the judge also warns Mr. Marshall will be tempted, over, and over by these young co-ed gals, and not to fall into the trap!

I'm DONE... but watch this movie again... and watch what Mr. Marshall says to Ms. Granville on the 'marble bench' about beauty
I've over etended

[–] xerses13 16 years ago

kenn honeyman; Too preface we did enjoy the ANDY HARDY series particularly the first eight (8). Read our review on YOU'RE ONLY YOUNG ONCE (1937) to get our feelings.

As for this film it is bad and it is bad because of MICKEY ROONEY. He is over the top and out of control. He is not even close to the character of the original EIGHT. The other actors are right on particularly BONITA GRANVILLE who gives a sensitive realistic performance. The film is not helped by the continue use of the "idiot plot". A HollyWood device where a simple explanation would solve all the problems in the first reel.

[–] mdonln 9 years ago

Personally, I enjoyed the movie. I'm not usually a fan of what you call the 'idiot plot' where all the problems could be easily resolved but in this series it's always done well.

I think there are always some very good lessons in all the Andy Hardy movies; at least the ones I've seen. I have not seen them all but TCM recently ran several of them back-to-back and I got to see quite a few.

The movies reflect the time in which they were made quite well. I wasn't around then so I should say, they 'seem' to portray those times accurately. What I like about the series is how they handle a lot of relevant issues of that time that happen to also be issues today. They also don't shy away from introducing sensitive topics.

For instance, I love the reaction to the arrival of the Asian doctor. It was a perfect opportunity to educate and inform and they handled it well; with humor. They showed people's prejudices and addressed them in a way that made those people look silly and uninformed. The doctor, himself, dealt with the situation well and didn't play the victim.

These movies always had a moral message, often more than one, but the message is presented in a fairly subtle way. The viewer doesn't feel he/she is being beaten about the head with it; it's never an outright lecture.

[–] xerses13 9 years ago

mdonin: See our review of the first film and comments on the series. I like the first eight (8), though my S.O. does not care for the series at all. Surprising because We are usually on the same page when it comes to movies.

[–] richspenc 8 years ago

I just can't over how much nicer people were to each other back then compared to today. How often today will a woman you just met loan you the money you didn't have for your train ticket? Same thing in "Love finds Andy Hardy" where Judy Garland offers to give Mickey the money he didn't have for a car. And just the much nicer way people talked to each other back then compared to today. The difference is incredible! And there's lots of different examples I can point out from different old films I've seen. People back then just didn't yell **** you to each other, cuss each other out, try to pick a fight over the littlest provacation, act so hateful, and use people, and only pretended to be nice just when you wanted something in return. People actually trusted each other. People actually respected each other.

[–] mdonln 8 years ago

richspenc says > I just can't over how much nicer people were to each other back then compared to today.

There are plenty of nice people around today. It depends on where you look. Also, most people have learned to be more guarded; being nice doesn't mean being stupid.

When you watch older movies you have to remember most of those movies focused on the nicer parts of everyday life. People went to the movies to escape not see the same things they saw on a daily basis. It doesn't mean bad people didn't exist and bad things weren't happening, the movies just didn't always show that side of life.

In this movie, as I recall, the Hardy family lived in a small town. Small town people tend to be friendlier because they don't have to deal with large throngs of people pushing and shoving them everywhere they go. The pace of life is slower and people aren't as stressed. People are more neighborly because they really are neighbors and, if they're not, many of them know each other or have mutual friends and acquaintances. If they behave badly word gets around to the people they know.

In a big city people are anonymous. They can act horribly towards each other and no one will know. They put on their facade in front of the people they think matter but with most people they're awful.

You also have to remember that we can't wait for other people to be nice when we don't behave that way towards them. Someone has to make the first move. What you'll notice is if you smile and say hello, most often they will be just as nice and courteous in return.

When you hear people say we need to get back to how things used to be, that's what they mean. It's not about erasing the progress we've made in other areas; it's about going back to when people were more civil and nicer to each other. A time when we had shared values, common goals, mutual respect, and knew how to treat each other - like people.

It was from those times a lot of progress came. Where we are today, we are dead weight. Moving forward is almost impossible; standing still is difficult; and we keep slipping backwards in the wrong ways.

Woman, man! That's the way it should be Tarzan. [Tarzan and his mate]

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[–] mdonln 7 years ago

richspenc says > Where you said how if you just smile and say hello to people, most often they will smile and say hello back, Ive not found that to be true. Another thing about people today is how shallow and superficial they often are.

I'm sorry to hear that's been your experience. While I do agree that people seem more shallow and superficial these days, I still believe most people are genuinely good, kind, and friendly. I don't think most people will refuse to say hello for the reasons you say. Where you live may be more of a factor than how you think you look to them.

I know when someone smiles or says hello I don't do a quick once over before I decide to answer and smile back. I doubt I'm the only one. I would suggest you consider what you may be projecting. People don't always know when they're doing something that turns others off.

If, for instance, you're saying hello but seem self-conscious or like you're expecting them to be negative or your smile is tentative; those things come across and can make them suspicious of your intentions.

I'm not saying that is what's happening. Obviously I'm not there but that is the impression I'm getting from your comments.

Woman, man! That's the way it should be Tarzan. [Tarzan and his mate]

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[–] richspenc 7 years ago

I agree with you now. I have low self esteem sometimes. Even though in general, there were better manners from people back in the 30s and 40s and there was often more of a feeling of community and helping each other back then. And there were more people feeling safe leaving thier doors unlocked. There were other ways that were worse back then. The biggest way back then being racism. There was no such thing back then as civil rights. And some other things such as society seeming to be OK about a man slapping a women. There weren't the same enforced laws about that back then. I don't know for sure if it was better or worse back then or now. It was just different. There's the good and bad points to both periods.

[–] mdonln 7 years ago

richspenc says > I don't know for sure if it was better or worse back then or now. It was just different. There's the good and bad points to both periods.

That's the sad thing. In a lot of ways we have evolved as a race. We seem to build on past successes and keep going from there. In terms of how we treat each other, that seems mostly to have stayed constant in some ways and slipped in others but I struggle to see how we've improved.

I don't really consider racism and sexism in my views because those are societal, cultural and biological norms. As humans we don't rely as much on our instincts but the fear of those who are different and unknown to us seems to be a hard one to shake. It's a defense mechanism. I'm not condoning it but we can't ignore our true nature just because it doesn't fit with what we'd like to think of ourselves.

That said, on an individual basis, we can make much progress. Most people I meet on a daily basis seem like decent people; then I go online and something seems to happen to some of them. Who knows what that's about. The 'people' element is what's so unpredictable, often irrational, and usually stubborn.

Woman, man! That's the way it should be Tarzan. [Tarzan and his mate]

[–] richspenc 7 years ago

I'm not saying that people's attitudes have improved since the 40s, 50s. I was just realizing that maybe things weren't as drastically worse today from back then as I was posting it was in my first comment a week or so ago. But I was still saying in my most recent post how people were definitely back then more neighborly, helpful, caring, etc. And you have a good point about racism and sexism back then being societal, biological norms. I guess, since we are stuck in the present times and that there's no possible way to go back, I was just trying to make my views about the attitudes of today in my last post more positive than in my first post. I still believe that someone like me would've been happier back then, but I'm gonna have to accept what's possible and what's not, and going back in time is not.

Actually, when I mentioned my first comment, I didn't mean a week ago. My first comment on this topic was back in June, as you can see. I also deleted a couple of my comments because I didn't want other people seeing me write so many comments drivling on about the same topic which is not even related to the op comment up top. It's my fault, I'm the one that brought this topic up to begin with. Thanks for taking the time to respond though.

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