Propaganda Crap


This movie was made in 1943 during WW11. It served as a propaganda vehicle to raise the American hopes of getting behind the armed forces. Look for the messages in each scene. "The enemy is listening". MGM made this and the government hoped the world would see it. Even the Japanese.

A show for the troops? That's how they described it and yet it was done all in the MGM studios without any army personnel even present.

The story line was non-existent as it was never really ever about Gene Kelly and Kathryn Grayson. It was about abandoning your soldier boy when he needs you the most. The day he leaves for war.

And don't forget the double standards either. Black performers and black singers on stage. But no black actors or a black face to be seen anywhere in the army.

White America stand up and be proud! Our boys need you behind us. Even if we have to ram it down your throat with Hollywood stardom. Or should that be, polished off by Hollywood stardom and hidden by subtle little messages.

The acting in this movie was crap, but no one here was employed for their acting. I do admit the talent that was on display was first rate and a rare glimpse of Lena Horne was a true highlight.

There was another such film like this one full of "gung ho" USA propaganda crap that starred Bing Crosby. The end of that movie was totally sickening.

Jimmy Cagney starred in "Yankee Doodle Dandy". Now that was a great movie.

Now cut to today. It's no wonder Hollywood now makes movies that are extremely anti-war. The stars of yesterday must have felt so used in those "quirky" films. You'd never see Sean Penn or Susan Sarandon selling themselves out. But then again, back then in '43, if you spoke out against the war you were classified as a "pinko".

I look forward to your thoughts. As long as you don't attack this author and keep it impersonal.

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Wow. Seems as though you have all the bases covered here. Let's see:
Any morale-booster during a time of world war is propaganda? Check!
The requisite racist issues? Check!
White guilt? Check!
A script not on par with War and Peace? Check!

Yup. You covered it all.

Now to the facts: There are no soldiers in it because they were all overseas *fighting* for our freedom. This movie was made to boost the morale of those that stayed at home *and* the soldiers overseas where it was sent for them to enjoy. The plot was thin because it was for enjoyment, not person journeys or story arcs; a little ditty to forget about the horrors of war.

As to the no black soldiers, well you have me there: were aren't perfect and we've made our mistakes. I just find it hilarious that you only raise the black racist flag- why don't you scream as loudly to have England returned to the Picts? I mean the Angles stole it from them and enslaved the Picts, and then the Angles were conquered and (for the most part) enslaved by the Saxons, (hence Anglo-Saxon) who took over England. I find your argument specious that you only want to raise a hue and cry for blacks: Raise it for all displaced and subjugated people of all time, and then people won't think you a moron.

..Joe

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Joe, you had me on the edge of my seat. I was waiting in anticipation. Patiently. Quietly. Taking in everything you were saying and then – BANG! There it was. Right at the very end. Your timing was impeccable. The word, “moron”. I knew you were going to stoop to that level at some stage during your argument.

I never said nor did I use the word “racist”. I merely pointed out the obvious. As for “morale-boosters”, you are probably right. There does appear to be a thin line between prompting up the nation’s backbone and exploiting the war effort. Nothing like a good ‘ol sing-a-long to move the masses, hey Joe.

I know the soldiers were overseas and that was my point. Put out of work actors in uniforms and suddenly they become the pride of the nation. Mickey Rooney comes on to perform for the troops – in a Hollywood back lot to a keen bunch of fellas who think it must be Christmas to be given such a treat.

As for your last paragraph? Wtf? You completely lost me as to where you were going there. Me thinks one maybe a racist as one seems to protest ye too much. Take a chill pill and settle down. America needs you, Joe. Even if it’s just for morale-boosting.

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Bravo, Joe!

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I grew up in the 1930s/40s and I want to make a couple of comments. While you "youngsters" are probably not aware of it, in 1943 we were in real danger of losing the war. Things were going badly on all fronts and thousands of men were dying every day. Movies like this were put out to try and tell everyone, but especially the men on the lines, that "yes, we are getting the crap kicked out of us, but we still have to keep fighting so keep your courage up." Many of the actors who appeared in this film either went into the service later or were considered "4F" (physically or mentally unfit) or, like Ben Blue, were too old and could not serve.
I hate to say it but, yes, racial prejudice was alive and well during this time and there were few black enlisted personnel in the services. Those that were were usually in menial positions, such as stewards on naval ships. Was it right? Absolutely not, but it was an accepted way of life. There were also very few black actors/performers because many theaters refused to show films with them. In fact, look at any musical with Lena Horne and you will see that her performance was a "stand alone" number that could be edited out without harming the overall film. This was done for showing in the south.
As for the stars feeling used, quite the opposite. They volunteered for this duty, even traveling at their own expense to entertain the troops. Unlike today's stars, they had pride in the US and loved the country. Today's stars, like the aforementioned Sean Penn or Susan Sarandon, lean very far to the left and consider being an American as something to be ashamed of. During WW2 we were glad to be Americans and were proud of our country.
The end of the movie, which you find so offensive, was geared toward the hope that the men going to fight might, possibly, come home alive so keep your hope alive. Unless you lived in those times you cannot possibly understand what life was like then and, since most of you have been taught by Liberal teachers in a very left-leaning educational system, you have a skewed idea of what America and Americans stood for back then.

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When the author of the story of "Thousands Cheer", Paul Jarrico, saw the finished product he was relieved the basic nothingness of the story turned out all right. He wrote he was only embarrassed twice during his viewing, "really embrrassed", by the schmaltz. He was a Marxist at the time, denouncing Stalin and the Russian Communist Party in the mid-'50s, blacklisted with many screen credits taken from him, who tried to get black soldiers into this story on the basis of equality, but had to settle for black performers only.

So you see, Farnham, your idea of the wholesome values of the times weren't even agreed with by the author of the movie. He too bemoaned the absence of social values in it. So your take is not necessarily the "right" one, or indicative of how everyone thought then after all.

~ Native Angeleno

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If you reread my post I don't believe that I said anything about the "wholesome values of the time". I merely pointed out that things were far different then and that Americans loved, respected and supported the country. Yes, racial prejudice was rampant and yes, it was as wrong then as it is today. The thing I was trying to point out was that, at that time, no one was ashamed to be called an American. However I think that, since I was alive then, I can express my opinion with more credence then someone who was raised long after the war.

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I was with you right up to your last two sentences then you just became a prejudice git. Oh well, maybe next time you won't add your own prejudices while arguing against prejudices.

-Nam

I'm on the road less traveled...

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I do not believe that I would consider my self prejudiced, as least in the way you infer. I am 87 years old (go ahead and make an old SOB joke) and have watched our country become more and more socialist and less and less patriotic. I made my comment about Liberal teachers because they have had a major hand in changing the way people feel about the US. We no longer support the idea that America is special, we no longer stand on our own two feet because it is easier to let the government support us and tell us what to do, we no longer have the love of country that existed in the 1940s and 50s. Children today are not forced to learn because it will ruin their delicate little feelings if they get left back, they are not expected to know anything when they get out of school and then they complain because they can't immediately get a top paying job. I am merely stating my opinion and that, I do not think, is being prejudiced.

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Yes, because 90 years ago (rounding off) the US was the embodiment of "freedom". Please...I could make a list of how unpatriotic the US was 50 years ago let alone 87 years ago but I think it'd be a waste of breath (figurative) because if you're actually 87 years old then you're set in your thoughts and ways and nothing anyone says, let alone me, will change that.

But just as an aside: Communism and Socialism are not the same thing. Communism negates Capitalism. Socialism (as a principle) does not. Communism is where the people overthrow the state and take control. Socialism is where the people work with the state for the better of a community.

Social programs are not bad things. The third biggest Social program the US has is the US Military (18%+). I never hear conservatives talking about getting rid of it.

Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security are the top two (23% and 25%) and I hate to break it to you, in case you don't know, but statistically speaking there are just about 50/50 on conservatives vs. liberals who take from those Social programs; even the wealthy take from them--why wouldn't they?

But please, please explain to me how affordable healthcare for all is unpatriotic? How does wanting to help your fellow citizen unpatriotic?

Please explain to me how corporations being regulated, guns being regulated, and people helping other people is unpatriotic?

I would love to hear that! I'm all ears.

-Nam

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Let me make it very clear (if I have not already) that I am well aware that the US was not perfect 90 years ago, just like it is not perfect now. As for being set in my ways, I disagree. I will listen to anyone who has a good idea and am more than willing to change my mind if presented with a valid argument. I am also well aware that communism and socialism are opposites, but both take the right of making your own choices and your own decisions away from you. I never said that social programs are bad. I fully support SS, Medicare, etc. What I am protesting is the government demanding that you take part in a particular medical coverage. In case you haven't noticed, Obamacare is turning out to be anything but affordable. So far as corporations being regulated, no argument this is needed, but having the government take them over or bail them out? I feel this is wrong. I am totally against gun regulation since I saw what Hitler did after he took away people's guns. Remember, only a government that is afraid of its citizens want gun confiscation. What I would like to see is much stiffer penalties for those who abuse or misuse guns, starting with a minimum 5 years for even pulling a gun except in self-defense. It is clear the you and I will never fully agree, and that is fine. I will stick with my opinions and you can stick with yours.

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As for being set in my ways, I disagree.I will listen to anyone who has a good idea and am more than willing to change my mind if presented with a valid argument.


A "good idea" that aligns with your viewpoint, and a "valid argument" that equates to your ideology.

I am also well aware that communism and socialism are opposites, but both take the right of making your own choices and your own decisions away from you.


Communism does, Socialism, to a point, doesn't. Such as: in a Communist state it's almost impossible to leave, not true for all Socialist states.

I never said that social programs are bad.


You implied it.

I fully support SS, Medicare, etc. What I am protesting is the government demanding that you take part in a particular medical coverage.


I guess you're against people forced into having auto insurance, too?

In case you haven't noticed, Obamacare is turning out to be anything but affordable.


For certain people not all people, and then there are those of us who just don't even have the option.

So far as corporations being regulated, no argument this is needed, but having the government take them over or bail them out? I feel this is wrong.


If Bush and Obama didn't bail out the banks and auto industry, as Bernanke put it, "It would have been worse than the Great Depression" but you're probably the type who doesn't care if we go back to a Communist-like state; you know: long lines getting food, special appointments for medical care, the rich staying rich and the poor dying in the streets. Oh...them were the days...

I am totally against gun regulation since I saw what Hitler did after he took away people's guns.


What a stupid and pathetic comparison. But if you feel it should be legal for kids, teachers, passengers on a plane, pilots, the insane, convicted felons, etc., to have guns then comparing such idiocy would be more in line with someone like Hitler than those regulating guns.

Remember, only a government that is afraid of its citizens want gun confiscation.


Complete and utter nonsense.

What I would like to see is much stiffer penalties for those who abuse or misuse guns, starting with a minimum 5 years for even pulling a gun except in self-defense.


I can see it now: 5 year old gets 5 year sentence for shooting a fellow 5 year old because they took their cookie.

Insane person shoots up asylum because he's insane but he gets 5 years in prison.

It is clear the you and I will never fully agree, and that is fine. I will stick with my opinions and you can stick with yours.


My opinions are at least sane.

-Nam


I'm on the road less traveled...

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I disagree with your last statement.

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I don't know...it took you this long to reply back.

-Nam

I am on the road less traveled...

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This is a well written post and it does a good job of clarifying some of the differences between the 40s and today, which helps a younger viewer understand better the intentions and motives of filmmakers and audiences in the 40s.

Unfortunately you crumbled under the fire of other posters, who also took you off-topic. And because of your lack of understanding about socialism, capitalism, and communism, you allowed one poster to get away with some totally inaccurate statements. I don't mean to be too critical, because--as I said--your original post was excellent.

It looked like you hit the nail on the head when you made your comment about liberal teachers. Ironically, the original concept of educating the masses (through public schooling) to make them better citizens became corrupted (because power corrupts). First of all, whose idea of a "good citizen" should prevail? Secondly, when a society tries to mold its children into good citizens, it seeks to instill certain values and among them are 1) moldability aka obedience to authority and 2) virtue.

In the era of this film, patriotism was considered a big part of being a good citizen. Over the decades, things changed (especially in the late 60s) and the left, which had made inroads in controlling education, started to downplay patriotism--which is fine in my view of things. But they also used the public school system to ingrain their values and their concepts of virtue. These were largely based upon ideas about how to make society better through social programs and invoking "societal guilt" about past wrongs to motivate citizens. Most importantly, the corruptive nature of power (i.e. the power to control the minds of impressionable young children who should be taught to think, not to obey) mandated that all children be taught that government is good, so more government is better. And citizens should want more government because the government was dedicated to improving everyone's lives and promoting justice. You see where it has taken us. Unfortunately, some other poster will not see this, as you have noticed, due to their indoctrination by the system.

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So, what exactly is the point of your post? Are you sorry the war turned out the way it did? Sorry that more African-Americans subject to ongoing discrimination at home were not engaged in the fighting, sharing the fun of risking life and limb? Complaining because you didn't understand that the limitations on studios required them to make morale-booster films if they wanted to make films at all, given the competition for resources also needed in the defense industry?

You clearly don't understand propaganda. Gung-ho morale booster films are straightforward cheerleader productions. Their content is completely expected. There's nothing subtle or subliminal happening. Is it propaganda when the crowd sings along with the national anthem at a ball game, or when little kids wave flags along the parade route on July 4th?

Are you sad that films made during the war weren't about everyone dying, or tributes to the politics of the Axis? Do you suppose the families on the home front or the troops anywhere wanted to sit in the dark for a couple of hours to watch something dismal and depressing to inspire them to work harder at the plant or feel more uplifted about the next engagement with the enemy? Do you think your vision of the perfect WWII film would have soothed their hearts when the telegram arrived that a loved one was KIA, or when a skirmish took out part of their band of brothers?

What exactly do you hope to see when you watch talent showcase types of films made during WWII? Why do you even bother to watch them?

~If you go through enough doors, sooner or later you're gonna find a dog on the other side.~

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Just a quick observation of the original post. It always makes me laugh when I see someone give a horrible review of a movie from the beginning to the end. Why didn't you find someone to play Scrabble or Monopoly with you once you saw that for a number of reasons this movie was crap (in your humble - uh huh - opinion)?
If the intention was to cause other people who are more educated, intelligent, who lived this time in history, and who know intimately more about the movie, etc., then Mission Accomplished!

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I'm just thinking how refreshing it would be if we could read reviews and discussions on IMDb without being subjected to these tiresome hangups about every BAD thing that is retrospectively diagnosed in movies of past eras. Wouldn't it be nice if political correctness, moral exhibitionism, sanctimonious judgmentalism, and historical revisionism were banned from this site? Anyone who felt impelled to voice his or her hangups about old movies would of course be perfectly free (as they are now) to create their own blogs or whatever where they can indulge in vicarious wrist-slashing to their hearts' content without burdening others with their insufferable pontifications.

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